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Re: FUTR: When COT data becomes more important, or not!


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  • Subject: Re: FUTR: When COT data becomes more important, or not!
  • From: "Dennis L. Conn" <dconn@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:24:22 -0500 (EST)

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<DIV>John &amp; all RT's,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>First of all, I wish to make it clear that I am <STRONG>not 
</STRONG>selling anything, nor do I have any affiliation with the organization 
I'm about to mention (although I'm sure I'll be accused of spamming just the 
same).</DIV>
<DIV>About a year ago, I came across a website that sells COT report analysis - 
I don't know what sort of formula they use to compensate for the 
&quot;fuzzy&quot; part of determining the extent of a commercial entity's 
position, but they seem to have a knack for calling a move in a particular 
market based on the rating produced by their COT Index (for position trading, of 
course). For those who may have an interest, their web address is <A 
href="http://www.apogee-atl.com";>www.apogee-atl.com</A> - they also publish one 
of the best futures analysis newsletters I've seen, giving precise entry points 
with first and second objectives for swing trades of 2-5 days. They've been 
surprisingly accurate with those, and their profitable/losing trade percentage 
is over 70% (and yes, the profits exceed the losses nicely). If I didn't think 
their product/service was worth it, I wouldn't waste my time (or yours) 
mentioning them.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Let the (misguided) spam accusations begin!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Dennis C.</DIV>
<DIV>dconn@xxxxxxxxx</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A 
href="mailto:I4Lothian@xxxxxxx";>I4Lothian@xxxxxxx</A> &lt;<A 
href="mailto:I4Lothian@xxxxxxx";>I4Lothian@xxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR>To: RealTraders 
Discussion Group &lt;<A 
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR>Date: 
Friday, January 22, 1999 13:13<BR>Subject: FUTR: When COT data becomes more 
important, or not!<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>&gt;When COT data becomes more important, 
or not!<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;The Commitment of Traders report gives a dated snapshot 
of commercial and<BR>&gt;speculative positions in the futures and futures 
options markets.&nbsp; Some<BR>&gt;analysts routinely derive some strong 
opinions about future direction of the<BR>&gt;futures markets based on these 
reports.&nbsp; Regardless of whether they are right<BR>&gt;or wrong, it does 
make a good story.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Some look at the Large Speculator position and 
say it is too large one way or<BR>&gt;another.&nbsp; Others look at the Small 
Speculator, because they are always wrong.<BR>&gt;Right?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Others 
look at the Commercial positions because commercial are real endusers<BR>&gt;and 
thus potentially have the best fundamental information about the 
market.<BR>&gt;This is where the analysis gets a little fuzzy for me.&nbsp; 
Commercial futures<BR>&gt;positions are really just one component of a variably 
weighted algebraic<BR>&gt;equation.&nbsp; The equation for the complete 
commercial position in a commodity is<BR>&gt;equal to its net futures position + 
its net cash commodity position + its net<BR>&gt;futures options position.&nbsp; 
The weighting of each of these can vary greatly<BR>&gt;depending upon the 
conditions. <BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Market movement alone can alter the position 
significantly, without any<BR>&gt;adjustments to any cash, futures or futures 
options position, due to the<BR>&gt;dynamics of options.&nbsp; They could be 
short futures, short cash and long a<BR>&gt;boatload of options (calls and puts) 
against it.&nbsp; <BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;The COT report comes out with two 
reports.&nbsp; The first one is futures positions<BR>&gt;and the second is the 
futures + the options.&nbsp; Now the quirky thing about this<BR>&gt;is that if 
the commercial is long a call, any strike call, that is another<BR>&gt;unit 
long.&nbsp; Does not matter if it is in the money or out of the money, 
what<BR>&gt;the delta or gamma is.&nbsp; It is one contract in long or 
short.&nbsp; Thus, you have a<BR>&gt;variable defined as a constant.&nbsp; Makes 
for some funny math and some fuzzy<BR>&gt;conclusions.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;OK, that 
is the downside.&nbsp; What about the upside?&nbsp; Well, in the grains 
right<BR>&gt;now the farmer received a big cash payment, due to low prices, as 
part of the<BR>&gt;transition to freer markets as part of the Freed to Farm 
Act.&nbsp; This has two<BR>&gt;important effects.&nbsp; One, it gives the farmer 
a cushion so they don't have to<BR>&gt;sell their grain at distressed prices, at 
least right away.&nbsp;&nbsp; Two, it buffers<BR>&gt;the natural market effect 
of pushing high cost excess capacity out of<BR>&gt;production.&nbsp; Anyway, I 
think that because the farmer does not have as much<BR>&gt;economic pressure to 
sell as in the past, they are not selling at a rate that<BR>&gt;would satisfy 
current cash market needs.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;This is reflected in the positive corn 
basis in Decatur, IL.&nbsp; Despite all we<BR>&gt;hear about the glut of corn 
around, the commercials in Decatur (mainly ADM)<BR>&gt;are paying above the 
nearby futures price to get corn today.&nbsp; If they cannot<BR>&gt;originate 
enough cash corn from the country, then they can hedge their needs<BR>&gt;in the 
futures or futures options.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;This influence, I believe, means that 
there is more weight in the algebraic<BR>&gt;equation towards the futures and 
options components and less in the cash<BR>&gt;position.&nbsp; This, I believe, 
gives greater significance to current COT data in<BR>&gt;the grains.&nbsp; You 
still need to deal with the fuzzy math of the options<BR>&gt;positions.&nbsp; 
But, by following the Kevin Nevers grain players sheets you can<BR>&gt;glean 
information about some of the larger trades from all the 
players,<BR>&gt;including the commercials.&nbsp; These players sheets are 
available from the CBOT<BR>&gt;website, <A 
href="http://www.cbot.com";>www.cbot.com</A>.&nbsp; I have no connection to this 
service, other than as a<BR>&gt;client and I know Kevin. (He tells very bad 
jokes).&nbsp; Many brokers and<BR>&gt;brokerage offices receive the players 
report, so you might be able to get your<BR>&gt;non-discount broker to give you 
a rundown on any significant trades listed on<BR>&gt;the end of the day copy of 
the report.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;These observations were not meant as a recommendation 
to buy or sell any<BR>&gt;specific futures or futures option contract.&nbsp; I 
can and will change my mind.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Regards,<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;John J. 
Lothian<BR>&gt;President<BR>&gt;Electronic Trading Division<BR>&gt;The Price 
Futures Group, Inc.<BR>&gt;<A 
href="http://www.pricegroup.com";>www.pricegroup.com</A><BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Disclosure: 
Futures trading involves financial risk, lots of it!<BR>&gt;</BODY></HTML>
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-----Original Message-----
From: GREHERT@xxxxxxx <GREHERT@xxxxxxx>
To: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Friday, January 22, 1999 1:00 PM
Subject: Windows Network


>Would you email me privately if you would answer some questions about
setting
>up a Windows Network - either Windows98 peer-to-peer, Windows NT
Workstation
>peer-to-peer, or Windows NT Server.
>
>Thank you,
>
>Jerry Rehert  (grehert@xxxxxxx)
>Atlanta, GA
>@ 02:58 am, January 22nd, 1999