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<DIV> Someone recently posted information regarding Full moons
& new moons wrt to trading . would they be kind enough to do so again
as I have inadvertently deleted all emails on pc.</DIV>
<DIV>Peter</DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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From: "BrentinUtahsDixie" <brente@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: WHAT THE HECK WAS UP WITH NOV98 OJ TODAY ???
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Group,
Although the analysis spoken of here may be sound. I'd like to make a few
observations about this.
If you are in line with the forums rules, you don't have to be careful what
you post to real traders indeed if you are going to learn and benefit from
this forum you may have post some things that may be in error. I'm a real
believer in the idea that the only stupid question is the un-asked one. I
applaud Keith's implied question and hope he and others will continue
asking them. One thing is certain you do need to get your water proofing on
well in advance so that the criticism runs off your back.
To Mr. Hawaii's credit he did make his call public BEFORE the big moves. He
would have been welcome here if he could have controlled his mouth and
temper. I can't recall Mr. Karnish's previous posts so he may have made
this call in advance, otherwise please let us in on your analysis in
advance so we can properly judge it. I tend to view great calls that appear
here after the fact with suspicion. Or not, it only makes a difference of
whether you what to be believed.
Also it proves nothing for someone to say that the markets are or aren’t
manipulated. If they are, you better learn how to deal with it or quit
trading. If they aren’t then you had still better learn how to deal with
the markets or quit. The traders in these markets have had many, many years
to learn how to profit from market behavior. If they(traders) couldn’t make
money trading these markets they wouldn't be there(traders or markets). I
tend look at trading as if I were going into a pool room to play pool with
a real pool shark. You are going have to do everything right to come out a
winner and it isn't going to be easy.
As I said before if you're always right you can trade any market, but if
you're wrong illiquid markets ARE dangerous. Right now even liquid
markets(like the bonds) could kill you in a hurry.
Brent
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> From: Steve Karnish <kernish@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: WHAT THE HECK WAS UP WITH NOV98 OJ TODAY ???
> Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 8:45 PM
>
> Keith,
>
> I not a fan of Gary's and when he was shooting his mouth off
> about OJ, I challenged him to a OJ "off". Sdonelow@xxxxxxx
> volunteered to monitor trades and as he can attest to I emailed
> him on 9/30 with my recommendation to go "long" on the opening
> of 10/1. Me and my "closest friends" filled at 99.30 and have
> been long since. The lead contract in OJ is "limitless" (you
> might notice that the other months were up only a nickel).
>
> The USDA released a crop report today. The government was
> looking for 212-220 million boxes (90lbs.), with industry
> "experts" predicting 219.5, ... the number came in at 190
> million. Rather than manipulation, this is a simple supply and
> demand reaction. Florida's all orange forecast is 22 percent
> less than last season. Early and midseason varieties in Florida
> are forecast at 20 percent lower than last season . Florida's
> Valencia forecast is 25 percent below last season. California's
> all orange production is forecast at 16 percent below last year.
>
> So Keith, be careful of what you post. I haven't jumped on the
> real traders forum since Gary was spinning his nonsense. I'm
> sure you don't want to fall into his company. Freezes, thin
> markets, and market manipulations are not part of today's
> action. The "thin" market you stay away profited long
> positions $4,000 today.
>
> I don't trade off fundamentals ... but, supply side economics
> was in control today. I've attached a chart so you can see why
> and where we went long. Many times: the technical indicators
> time you into a market and the fundamentals show up a few days
> later to support your decision. You're right about one thing:
> I think I saw OJ's "bloody glove" in the pit today.
>
> Steve Karnish
> CCT
>
>
> ----------
> > From: Keith Dennis <Keith.Dennis@xxxxxxx>
> > To: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: FUT: WHAT THE HECK WAS UP WITH NOV98 OJ TODAY ???
> > Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 6:00 PM
> >
> > RT'ers:
> >
> > Did the 2 local guys in the OJ pits read some of "GARY IN
> HAWAII"
> > old RT Email's from last month or something ???? What the
> heck was
> > up with this market today ...... NOV98 up 25.75 ? But not the
> rest
> > of them.....hello!!! Maybe Gary bought a couple of contracts
> today
> > or something and drove the demand right on up there ???
> >
> > Freeze warnings came in early this year ??? Or just trying to
> catch
> > a few shorts off guard today were they ??? Now you know why
> you
> > should stay away from these thin little markets .... huh ???
> I guess
> > they wanted in on some of that "Blood in the Streets" going
> on
> > recently like the big boys ??? And they say manipulated
> market don't
> > exist ..... ya right !!!
> >
> > Just wondering and chuckling out loud ...... Sorry !!!
> > Keith
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