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Keith:  COT data is released in raw form at two week intervals from the 
CFTC.  They report COT positions on a weekly basis, though - it's just 
released every two weeks.  Steve Briese purchased Curtis Arnold's COT 
research, and the COT index concept was developed by Curtis Arnold.  
Steve Briese's COT Index is calculated using a look-back period in a 
manner similar to Williams %R.  The proprietary nature of Briese's index 
is the look-back period he uses, which I believe varies with the market.  
I would be interested in hearing about a company that produces daily COT 
data if you find them.

Paul Cote:  Yes, you can buy COT data from Pinnacle Data, and their 
software allows you to calculate a COT Index based on a look-back period 
that you define.  However, this leads back to the issue of what is the 
correct look-back period to use?  Steve Briese has had a "feud" of sorts 
with Pinnacle Data regarding their claim that they are using his COT 
Index, since the look-back periods he uses are proprietary.  Briese used 
to sell COT Index data, but I think he finally got tired of fighting 
with Pinnacle Data and decided to give it away for free.  There's also 
the issue of data accuracy - the older COT data available in electronic 
form from the CFTC is unaudited and the CFTC states that this data is 
inaccurate.  Briese claims to have cleaned-up the older data using the 
actual reports released by the CFTC.  I get my EOD data from Pinnacle 
Data and I'm quite satisfied with its accuracy, but I wonder about the 
quality of their COT data.  Regarding the location of the COT data: 
After getting to the Bullish Review site (www.bullishreview.com) click 
on "Free Data" and you'll get to the "Products List" area - click on 
"Order Form" within the "Commitments of Traders Data FREE" section and 
you'll be sent to a form to complete.  I'm not sure what happens next - 
I'm a Bullish Review subscriber, so I haven't had to register for the 
free data.

A question for all of you RTers:  What value, if any, does COT 
information have in your trading decisions?  Commercials' positions 
would seem to be an efficient (although indirect) way of incorporating 
fundamentals into your trading, but I personally have had mixed results 
using COT signals - it seems they often get me into a trade too soon.  
At the Futures Magazine forum, the Phantom has even suggested that 
fading commercial COT signals is a better strategy.   I'd appreciate 
hearing from traders who are successfully using COT data.

Brad


>Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:16:07 EST
>Reply-To: GPTClub@xxxxxxx
>From: GPTClub <GPTClub@xxxxxxx>
>To: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: COT Index
>
> Agreed that the information on the 3 speculator groups is 
>important -- but at 2 week intervals ??  I suppose for intermediate
>to long term trading it has some meaning, but would be real nice
>to know what these guys are doing day to day.
>
> I'm going to try and track down a company in Chicago that had
>planned to make this data available around 8PM Eastern for each
>trading day.
>
> Anyone else out there aware of this DAILY COT data ?
>
> Keith   
>
>


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