[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]

RE: Position trading 100+ futures markets times 8 systems



PureBytes Links

Trading Reference Links

6. What five letter word...

TREND

Is there any reason why Markowitz's Efficient Frontier cannot be applied
here to
 obtain the optimal mix of several systems and multiple markets ?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Johnson [mailto:janitor@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:24 AM
> To: omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Position trading 100+ futures markets times 8 systems
>
> DANGER!  THERE IS RISK OF LOSS IN FUTURES TRADING!!
>
> In email, Gary Fritz suggested that I begin a thread here,
> talking about the philosophy behind position-trading a
> mechanical system on more than 100 futures markets, using the
> same parameters in each market.  Here goes.
>
> Trading lots of markets simultaneously out of the same
> account means you'll have lots of simultaneous positions.
> You hope to get some benefits of "diversification", such
> as: when one position zigs, another position zags, and the
> net result is a smoother ride.  If you want to think of it
> this way, by trading 100 markets simultaneously, you are
> summing together 100 different equity curves from 100
> "market-systems" as Ralph Vince calls them.
> Your net result is the AVERAGE of the 100 different equity
> curves (times 100).  And the average of the individual equity
> curves is, we hope!, much smoother than the individual curves
> themselves.
>
> They gave a Nobel Prize to Harry Markowitz who worked out a
> theory of diversification benefits in the 1950's.
> His book "Portfolio Selection" talks about it, in very
> down-to-earth terms, and I *strongly* recommend reading the
> book if you're going to make smooth-equity-curve-by-
> means-of-diversification one of your goals.
>
> The math boils down to this: you can increase returns and
> decrease "non-smoothness" (variance) by adding more traded
> markets to your system, as long as the correlation
> coefficient between (the new market-system's equity curve)
> and (the equity curves of the other systems) is small.
> Which, hallelujah and praise Buddah, happens to be the case
> in futures.  Much more so than in stocks!
>
> The math becomes especially simple if you make a numerically
> convenient but wildly unrealistic assumption:
> that all the correlation coefficients are equal to zero.
> Occasionally you'll see an article in which someone blithely
> assumes the individual market-systems are "uncorrelated"
> (correlation equals zero).  It ain't true in real life,
> amigo.  It ain't true at all.
>
> But what does appear to be true, at least in my own research,
> is that the correlation coefficients between the equity
> curves of different markets traded with the same mechanical
> system, are Quite Low.  They are Sufficiently Low.  Low
> enough so you get SOME positive benefit by adding yet another
> market.  Sure, you get less benefit than if the correlation
> had been Zero, but SOME benefit nevertheless.  In fact, my
> research suggests to me a rather startling result:
>
>     The optimum number of commodity markets to
>     trade simultaneously with a mechanical system,
>     is Infinity.
>
> I see that the more markets I add, the better and better the
> final results become.  In fact, I chuckle with Bob Fulks that
> this approach could be called "Wildly Excessive Diversification."
>
> Applying the first principle of underwater demolition,
>    >>    "If some is good then more is better"   <<
> I have chosen to increase the amount of diversification yet
> further, by trading several different mechanical systems
> simultaneously, each one of them on the enormous
> 100+ market portfolio.  Again I find that the marginal
> utility of adding that last system and that last market, is positive.
>
> There are a couple of drawbacks however.  First of all, it
> means the trader must manage several hundred simultaneous
> positions.  Which requires software that can deal with
> multiple simultaneous systems trading large baskets of
> instruments.  I don't know whether the current Tradestation
> can or can't do this; I'm using non-TS software at present.
> Generating orders for the next bar (I use daily bars myself)
> is a big production, since there are times when system B buys
> Crude Oil on the same day that system F sells Crude Oil.
> Perhaps at the same price (in which case you can net-out the
> orders), or perhaps at different prices.  Getting the stops
> positioned and re-positioned is a bigger task than some
> software products can handle.
>
> Another drawback is: it requires a large account.  The
> average risk I have on any one position in one market for one
> system, is around 0.05% of the account.  Five one-hundredths
> of one percent.  If stops were $1500 from entry, (which
> they're actually not, but it makes a simple example) then I'd
> be trading one contract per 3 million dollars of account
> equity.  (Math:
> $1500 / 0.0005 = 3E6)
>
> A third drawback: This approach has always got a lot of
> simultaneous (small) positions, so it's always exposed to
> price shock risk, "Black Swans" as the press likes to say, in
> a lot more ways than other traders.  If there's huge price
> shock in Crude Palm Oil, I'll get injured when most other
> traders won't.
> On the other hand, if there's a huge price move in an obscure
> market, and I happen to be on the RIGHT side of it (like the
> bull move in LME Aluminum Alloy in February 08), then I catch
> a windfall that few other traders do.
>
> I'll wrap up by offering a few points to ponder.
> As they say in academic papers, Suggestions For Further Research.
>
> 1. What is an appropriate measure of goodness, a
> quantification of desirability, for evaluating the trading
> results of a multi-system, multi-market approach?
>
> 2. How would YOU go about testing the hypothesis that adding
> more market-systems improves the trading results?  (Or,
> equivalently, testing the NULL hypothesis that adding more
> market-systems makes no difference at all?)
>
> 3. If you absolutely HAD NO CHOICE and knew that you MUST
> build a software and hardware and infrastructure trading room
> so you could simultaneously trade 8 different systems, each
> one of them on 100 markets, what products would you buy and why?
>
> 4. Does it give you any additional comfort that the
> parameters of your mechanical system are not "over fitted",
> when you apply those parameters to
> 100+ different markets?  Does this increase the
> ratio of (#trades / (#degrees of freedom consumed)) by a
> factor of 100, and if so, does it matter?
>
> 5. Since this approach trades all markets, it guarantees you
> will be trading next year's hottest market, the one everybody
> agrees was "best".  It also guarantees you will be trading
> next year's absolutely worst market.
> Is this desirable?  Undesirable?  Neither?
>
> 6. What five-letter word, often used in discussions of
> trading methodology, is completely absent from this posting?
>
>
> Best wishes to all,
> Mark Johnson
>     (who gets the O-List Digest, the next day)
>
> DANGER!  THERE IS RISK OF LOSS IN FUTURES TRADING!!
>
>