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Re: Disappearing money funds



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In my previous note to Gary I failed to answer his question "Would investing in foreign bonds be better?" as related to US general purpose money funds. I didn't reply for I really wasn't sure of the answer.
Talked to an old friend at Goldman Sachs where I clear some of my trades 
with the following results.
1.  Many foreign money funds have some of the same kind of holdings that 
US funds have, for their portfolio managers were pushing for higher 
yields just as ours were. Additionally, most are not easily purchased by 
US investors.  Certainly not as sweep vehicles for idle cash awaiting 
other investments.
2.  Awfully hard to purchase anything other that individual foreign 
securities through most USA brokerage accounts, and then the minimum 
size of for individual purchases would be prohibitive for most investors.
3.  Looks like Treasuries or Treasury funds are the only alternate for 
most.
As an aside we got into a discussion of how big is problem, and how long 
will it last.  Consensus on "how long" is nobody knows and there is no 
precedent to even guide estimates.
As to amount it is almost the same, but billions with a B, even for 
individual companies.  For Citi alone 50 BILLION.
He asked me if I understood "a billion."  I didn't, and here's his take, 
in minutes:
60 minutes = 1 hour
24 hours = 1,440 minutes
1 year = 525,600 minutes
100 years = 52,560,000 minutes
2,000 years = 1,051,200,000 minutes (that's 67 generations and we finally got to only one billion -- Citi's problem is 50 times that and it's only one company.
Goldman doesn't disclose their individual conclusions to pip-squeak 
investors like me, and more probably to anyone other than their managing 
partners, but I'd sure bet that they have a lot of "shorts" out there 
somewhere.
He did leave the conclusion that there will be more great investment 
opportunities out there than there have been for generations.  Sounds 
like the old Chinese proverb -- "May you live in interesting times."
Regards,

Richard Funkhouser






Gary Fritz wrote:

I wonder 1) what are the chances of money-market funds losing value and going below $1.00 NAV, and 2) if that happens, how soon and how rapidly it is likely to happen.
Assuming you have the ability, switching from money funds into 
government securities seems like a prudent move.  And then you hope 
THOSE say solvent...
I wonder if overseas bonds would be any better?