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Market Profile, like everything else, turns out to go nowhere. I'm convinced
that nothing works on the emini, except MAYBE my Reliability system, which
is a very simple volatility breakout system like Clayburg's Cyclone. I'm
trading it with my money, and offering it for sale to anyone who HAS TO HAVE
A FREAKING SYSTEM. However, I will not be surprised if it blows out. I'm
just trading it mostly for fun and entertainment, which is all I think
trading is good for.
Anyway, I've had my fun with you guys. Thanks again for all of the great
feedback. I'll go away now and let you guys beat up on someone else.
Ron Hudson
Tradestation 7 Easylanguage Specialist
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob R [mailto:bobrabcd@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 3:29 PM
> To: omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Discounting Systems
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> OK, how about that market profile system you were working on one or two
> years ago. I never heard back from you after sending you a doc on how to
> trade with it. Kinda thought I might get a demo system out of
> it. Did you
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> (ps: email has changed since then, formerly @earthlink.net now msn.com)
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Hudson" <ron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:39 PM
> Subject: Discounting Systems
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> > I agree Walter, and this is the same point I'm trying to make
> here and on
> > my
> > web site. Systems are highly-speculative, and there's value to
> be gained
> > by
> > learning to depend on them less. This is just my opinion, and it's all I
> > wanted to talk about. I have not attacked anyone because I
> disagreed with
> > them, or because I thought they had ulterior motives. It's fair
> for people
> > to be skeptical and cynical, and to suggest that I am not being
> sincere.
> > But
> > the personal attacks are a bit much.
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> > PLEASE PEOPLE, TRY TO STOP FOCUSING ON ATTACKING OTHERS. LET'S
> DISCUSS AND
> > DEBATE ISSUES AND IDEAS ABOUT SYSTEMS TRADING.
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Walter Hooker [mailto:whooker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 11:58 AM
> > > To: omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Fw: Complaint about Omega List Subscriber
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> > > I keep coming back to this:
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> > > "There are old traders and there are bold traders, but there are
> > > no old bold
> > > traders."
> > >
> > > Short term trading over the last several years (about six years)
> > > has made me
> > > rely on system less and trading more (i.e. price). That does
> not mean I
> > > don't use charting software like Tradestation and don't have
> my on ideas
> > > about indicators. It seems I have coded hundreds (at least
> > > dozens) of ideas
> > > over the years but keep coming back to price.
> > >
> > > I'm new to this list and hope we talk more about trading
> ideas and less
> > > about each other. I enjoy good conversation about indicators,
> charts and
> > > even systems.
> > >
> > > Regards, Walter Hooker
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "drwar" <drwar@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: "Ron Hudson" <ron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 1:31 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Complaint about Omega List Subscriber
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> > >
> > > > Get a life! and stop abusing us on this list If you want to whine
> > > > about
> > > > someone to the moderator
> > > > send it to the moderator. Don't send it to the list.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ron Hudson" <ron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 2:18 PM
> > > > Subject: Complaint about Omega List Subscriber
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> > > > > Dear Omega list moderator,
> > > > >
> > > > > I like the fact that the Omega list is opened and uncensored.
> > > However, I
> > > > > think that people like Mr. Snowden really have no business being
> > > > > here.
> > > > > Please consider removing him from the list based on the
> post below.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am posting this request on the list in hopes of discouraging
> > > > > others
> > > like
> > > > > Mr. Snowden from using the list to abuse people as he has
> > > done to me and
> > > > so
> > > > > many others in the past.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yours Sincerely,
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron Hudson
> > > > > Tradestation 7 Easylanguage Specialist
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Jimmy Snowden [mailto:jhsnowden@xxxxxxx]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:21 AM
> > > > > > To: Omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Honest System Vendors?
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> > > > > > Ron,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You have proved yourself to us. We are trying to ignore you so
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > will go away. You know so little, and it is wrong,
> that you are a
> > > > > > pain and a waste of everyone's time on this list. You
> are clearly
> > > > > > certifiable and a liar. You have no value to anyone. You
> > > are a loser
> > > > > > and want attention like a child. Just because you spent 8 years
> > > > > > unable to build a system that does anything but lose
> money doesn't
> > > > > > mean you have to convince us we can't make money. Most of us
> > > > > > don't
> > > > > > care about systems that are for sale. We don't need
> them. They
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > not good enough. Now go find a whiner list to join and
> > > bore them with
> > > > > > your psychotic nonsense. You are the only offensive one here
> > > > > > right
> > > > > > now. You have hidden for five years on this list so go back to
> > > > > > lurking or just leave.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > Jimmy Snowden
> > > > > > mailto:jhsnowden@xxxxxxx
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wednesday, February 4, 2004, 11:13:37 AM, you wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > RH> I have shopped and evaluated hundreds of systems over the
> > > > > > last 8 years,
> > > > > > RH> mostly for day trading S&P futures. Three systems vendors
> > > > > > whose work I have
> > > > > > RH> found to be credible and of value are listed in the table
> > > > > > below. I know that
> > > > > > RH> people here will accuse me of advertising for these
> guys, but
> > > > > > I respect
> > > > > > RH> their work and I think it's worthy of ackowledgement:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > RH> Vendor System Backtesting Real-time
> > > > > > Web Site
> > > > > >
> > > > > > RH> John Ehlers R-Mesa to 1985 > 3 years
> > > > > > www.mesasoftware.com
> > > > > > RH> Jack Cahn Daybreaker to 1998 > 3
> > > > > > years www.traderassist.com
> > > > > > RH> John Clayburg Cyclone at least 1998 > 3 years
> > > > > > www.clayburg.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > RH> I would love to have a FAIR and MATURE conversation about
> > > > > > these guys if
> > > > > > RH> anyone wants to debate their merits and fallacies. I know a
> > > > > > lot
> > > > about
> > > > > > RH> systems testing and evaluation, and I'm sure I could learn
> > > > > > more by debating
> > > > > > RH> the integrity of these systems. I accept that I may not know
> > > > > > all of the
> > > > > > RH> answers about the quality of commercial trading
> systems, but
> > > > > > I'm
> > > > very
> > > > > > RH> interested in the subject.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > RH> I propose we try again to have a mature and intelligent
> > > > > > discussion without
> > > > > > RH> name-calling, attacking eachother's credibility,
> and flogging
> > > > > > one another.
> > > > > > RH> If you disagree with something, then try to state why, and
> > > > > > try to present
> > > > > > RH> your arguments as if you were an attorney making
> your case in
> > > court.
> > > > > > RH> Remember that when you attack others personally, it almost
> > > > > > always has a
> > > > > > RH> negative impact on your ability to persuade others to your
> > > > > > way of thinking.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > RH> I would like to see the anger and hostility of this group
> > > > > > evolve
> > > > into
> > > > > > RH> something more productive and helpful. We CAN evolve this
> > > > > > list to more than
> > > > > > RH> a thug-fest. There are people reading this list who are
> > > > > > seriously interested
> > > > > > RH> in learning the TRUTHS about trading systems. Those
> of us who
> > > > > > are learning,
> > > > > > RH> cannot benefit unless we are able to see something that
> > > > > > actually works. The
> > > > > > RH> three systems listed above have worked IN REAL-TIME TRADING
> > > > > > for at least
> > > > > > RH> three years. There are other systems too, but these are good
> > > > > > starting points
> > > > > > RH> for a discussion. The code behind these systems is clearly
> > > > > > discussed on the
> > > > > > RH> web sites, and it's no secret to some here what
> each of them
> > > > > > is
> > > > based
> > > > > > RH> on....and why they "work."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > RH> If you guys can learn to behave, then I'd be willing to
> > > > > > invite each of these
> > > > > > RH> vendors to come here and respond to INTELLIGENT questions.
> > > > > > I'm sure they all
> > > > > > RH> believe in their stuff, and that they'd be willing to engage
> > > > > > in a friendly
> > > > > > RH> debate as I have attempted to do. Let's try to clean up this
> > > > > > room so that it
> > > > > > RH> is more conducive to intelligent debate and discussion.
> > > > > > Otherwise, we're
> > > > > > RH> stuck with only the more closely-scrutinized and censored
> > > > newsgroups.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >> From: DH [mailto:catapult@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:54 AM
> > > > > > >> To: 'Omega List'
> > > > > > >> Subject: Re: Market Timing Hoaxes, Myths, and Scams
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > I don't believe everyone here hates system
> > > > > > >> > vendors.. That is way too harsh....There are many
> > > genuine vendors
> > > > out
> > > > > > >> > there who are open and above board.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Name one.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > >> Dennis
> > > > > > >>
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> > > > > > Outgoing mail scanned by Norton
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