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John,
Hang on John. Let me give you some information.
Clearly Mark is not doing it for the money. He isn't a workshop guru
$1,500 or $4,500 or even $10,000 is well below Mark's interest level.
He can sit on his rear and make that much each day, and actually he
does. His concerns are that all his internet connections, data feeds
and computers run all day so his automatic systems trade not that a
ton of people come make him a lousy $10,000 or $20,000 at the next
seminar. Your question should be why does he try to help people at
all, not the price he charges. You can't match Mark up with the slime
balls that sell their crap to any and everyone. The guys with the super
marketing. They are the ones to avoid. If you want to learn something
of value then go seek out Mark Brown. He wont peddle his seminars like
the other guys. He is just making it available to try to give back
something. You haven't been around long enough to know how much Mark
has given to this list. I would guess more than any other person. He
is easily misunderstood but if you knew him personally you would
understand.
I'm stupid for not going to his seminar myself.
Best regards,
Jimmy Snowden
mailto:jhsnowden@xxxxxxx
Thursday, November 20, 2003, 8:37:57 AM, you wrote:
JB> You know, if a workshop guru only can get 3 buyers at only $500 each (instead of $1500 each), it seems he should be clever enuff to figure out he needs to change his marketing approach.
JB> I would bet if he really wanted to attract the attention of more serious traders (who more often look for performance results instead of hype), he should post decent believeable 4 year
JB> performance summaries on his better oddball systems and his mechanical bond systems.
JB> If they are as good as you would suspect he wants people to believe --- then this fact alone would attract many more students to his next seminar.
JB> But then again, if his performance summaries would not show anything that great - - - maybe that's the real reason he is not eagerly posting them up front ?
JB> John
JB> On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:18:56 -0800 , David Colin <david_colin@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>List:
>>
>>In October I had the good fortune to be able to attend one of Mark Brown's
>>"Shortcut to Discovery" workshops in Dallas. I had wanted to attend for
>>some time...the price for the workshop that was listed on
>>www.prosignals.com was $5000. Of late however the price has been
>>temporarily slashed to $500, so I jumped at the chance.
>>
>>The workshop was set to begin at 08:30. The other attendees arrived --
>>there were only three of us - and I was happy to have the chance to meet
>>one of the other attendees (an O-lister), someone I've only previously
>>corresponded with by e-mail. Mark and his son Alan arrived at 8:30. [Just
>>a quick note: Mark is not what I think most people would expect. I think
>>he has a little bit of a reputation on this list for being "rough around
>>the edges," but honestly, he is one of the nicest guys I've met (as was
>>Alan). ]
>>
>>Mark began by giving us a little history of how he came to be a
>>professional trader -- absolutely fascinating stuff. The core of the
>>workshop was the revelation of a mechanical Bond model and a somewhat less
>>mechanical options strategy. Mark's view is that it is difficult, if not
>>impossible, for someone to buy a black box system and trade it without
>>understanding the logic. So half the day was spent explaining the logic
>>behind the mechanical bond model.
>>
>>The Bond Model:
>>
>>The model was developed using the Ned Davis Technalyzer, which is a piece
>>of software that costs $100K/year to lease and has to be run on a cray
>>supercomputer. The software sounded pretty sophisticated, however Mark's
>>teaching style was clear and engaging, and the explanation of the model's
>>logic was not beyond the comprehension of anyone with some degree of
>>knowledge about technical analysis. The model was made to run on perpetual
>>contracts (Mark included a big historical perpetual bond data file for
>>testing) . (please don't write me asking for system results, or the model)
>>
>>The Options Model:
>>
>>The remainder of the day was spent revealing a pretty nice options
>>strategy...although it isn't really mechanical, so it requires a bit of
>>skill to implement. Still, the strategy was simple, and again, not beyond
>>the comprehension of anyone with some degree of knowledge about technical
>>analysis.
>>
>>
>>The second day was spent reviewing and then briefly discussing a few
>>Oddball variations, and some bet sizing techniques.
>>
>>Mark took all questions patiently, no matter how basic, without making
>>anyone feel stupid. He wanted to make sure we all understood exactly what
>>was being taught. I think I learned almost as much from the discussions we
>>had as from the instructional part. You could tell there was genuine
>>concern that we learned from the experience -- which brings me to another
>>point: Mark was only collecting $1500 for the whole weekend workshop, so
>>clearly he wasn't doing this for the money. I think he is at least partly
>>motivated by a genuine desire to help fledgling traders. And with all the
>>garbage for sale out there, and all the shysters in this business, it was a
>>real privilege to have the opportunity to learn from a legitimate world
>>class trader like Mark.
>>
>>One final note: I was surprised by the hospitality we were shown as
>>well. We all went to a restaurant for dinner on Saturday night, and had a
>>wonderful time. That was above and beyond what we paid for.
>>
>>All in all, it was a great experience. My recommendation? You should go.
>>
>>David
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