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Don - this was a good and valid post....
however, there is no excuse for Cruz dropping support for crisakes for a
product which he
spent millions to develop.
It was a willfull, negligent decision on his part.
He could EASILY have created TS/Pro and STILL supported TS2000i.....
BUT HE DECIDED NOT TO.
I believe if he even made an offer to existing TS2000i users to ante-up a
yearly maintenance fee,
WE WOULD HAVE DONE THAT GLADLY knowing the high costs of supporting such a
complex software product.
But... NO, THERE WAS NO SUCH OFFER, NO SUCH CONSIDERATION.
"Respect and Consideration", that's all TS2000i users were looking for...
and got NONE.
So the Cruz position is really INDEFENSIBLE.
Period.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Roos [mailto:rosewood@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:05 PM
> To: Omega-list
> Subject: Re: BLAMING OmegaResearchCrooks or accepting responsibility
>
>
> bc:
>
> Maybe you should consider taking a dose of reality instead of concerning
> oneself with what the Cruz's were smoking. So you think we all use TS
> because we were suckered into it by the inCredibleCruzCrew? Get
> real! You
> give their marketing too much credit. You would apparently feel
> they could
> sell ice in Antartica.
>
> For me, I use TS4, 5 and 6 because I have not found any trading software
> better for the type of trading I do and I care less whether they have a
> brokerage or whether they ever develop TS further: they are fine
> for me with
> some minor inconveniences, mostly solved by using W2kPro for TS5. Why not
> work on your trading and follow through on why you bought TS in the first
> place. If TS does not meet your needs, find something else. Continual
> complaining about the Cruz's ripping us off is exactly the same
> as a losing
> trader blaming TS or his broker for his losses. Why not accept some
> responsibility for your trading development or you will never find success
> in this business. The only reason to use TS is if it can help you make
> money in your trading business or investments.
>
> This business is like a Jurassic Park and we are all just a little dessert
> for the raptors, T rexes and whatever out there, hoping we are
> concentrating
> upon something else like the Cruzes rather than how to avoid getting
> devoured by them. However, the real enemy is ourselves and our ability to
> accept responsibility for surviving. We need to keep our equity
> long enough
> to learn how to live in this environment. Most do not make it
> long enough
> to figure out a way to live amongst the predators. IMHO, the
> real crook is
> oneself, if we continually steal our attention onto blaming
> rather than onto
> responsibly *learning survival*.
>
> Best wishes and good trading in TS Jurassic Park.
>
> Don
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "blackcloudover BillCruz" <trad_delist_anydaynow@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 11:23 AM
> Subject: Re: ==> OMEGA RESEARCH = CROOKS <==
>
>
> tszz:
>
> I have a high suspicion that long ago the CRUZ bros.
> were toking on a nice fat doobie and had a brainstorm:
>
> "Now that we've suckered a mass of consumers into
> buying TS, let's stop supporting it and let's create a
> web only version with heavy pressure for them to use
> OUR BROKERAGE. Then, we can check by computers which
> trader(s) have the highest profitability on their
> trading, and we can invest all our money along their
> trades . . . we'll make billions !!!!"
>
>
>
> Shadow
>
>
> --- tszz@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > Hey,
> >
> > I almost paid $5000 for ProSuite 2000i. After a
> > short period, Omega Research
> > announced they would simply abandon the product and
> > the tech support
> > (see below).
> >
> > This product has been buggy from the beginning. Bill
> > Cruz sold to thousands
> > of customers an ALPHA (not even a BETA !) version
> > for $3000 or $5000.
> > Do you remember all the Service Packs ?
> >
> > I encourage everyone NOT to subscribe to the
> > $795/month NEW SCAM
> > of OmegaResearch (see :
> >
> http://www.tradestation.com/individual/fees/default.shtm
> > )
> > and to find alternatives to TradeStation.
> >
> > I think Bill Cruz should be prosecuted by the CFTC
> > or by his customers.
> >
> > Your opinion ?
> >
> > Denis Plat
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > TradeStation Technologies will no longer accept
> > domestic sales orders for the 2000i
> > line of client software products.
> >
> > The day before yesterday it was rumored that
> > TradeStation Technologies intends to
> > stop selling and furthermore, terminates support of
> > the widely known product
> > ProSuite2000i. Sadly, we had no official comment
> > from TradeStation Technologies'
> > representatives or their official site.
> >
> > What's known unofficially is the following:
> >
> > "We are writing to advise you that effective August
> > 28, 2001 TradeStation Technologies,
> > Inc. will no longer accept domestic sales orders for
> > the 2000i line of client software products.
> >
> > TradeStation Technologies, Inc. will continue to
> > offer technical support for registered
> > users of these products for the foreseeable future,
> > but technical support will be phased
> > out over time."
> >
> > "All TradeStation Technologies' client software
> > products come with a 30-day, money-back
> > guarantee. The 2000i products are no longer
> > available in the U.S. Please contact
> > International@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx to order directly or
> > to learn about resellers in your area."
> >
> > What is the meaning of this? Only the officials
> > could tell exactly, but probably TradeStation
> > Technologies intend to pull out of trading software
> > development and become a brokerage
> > firm. It's even likely they'll attempt to remove the
> > 2000i product line from use altogether,
> > leaving users without a choice.
> >
> > It is very hard to judge what such a reconstruction
> > might lead to. TradeStation has become
> > almost a standard in trading software, and
> > EasyLanguage a lingua franca for system traders
> > around the world. If what we know is true, the
> > platform will be cut off from the rest of the world,
> > since users would be limited to its proprietary
> > quotes only. The same relates to brokerage
> > services. Time will tell, could then TS remain a
> > standard or depart into shadows. It's hard to
> > imagine who might truly compete with TradeStation at
> > present.
> >
> > We intend to do our best to provide TradeStation
> > users with decent support. Presently we are
> > working on a number of products meant as
> > alternatives to TS Pro. Our software will widen the
> > possibilities of TS2000i and provide all the
> > benefits of TS Pro, BUT leaving the choice of the
> > data vendor and broker to the user.
> >
>
>
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