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You seem to misunderstand me: by all means the guilty must suffer the
consequences.
The context of the post (which you deleted) seems to indicate that "Kill 'em
all" refers
to guilty and innocent alike, and then "let God sort 'em out" (the guilty
from the innocent).
This kind of logic relieves the killer of responsibility: it's all up to
"God."
> right-wing fundamentalists (or as Dr. Bob writes "funDAMentalists") who
> USE a given religion or philosophy to justify their faith.
In a sense "Kill 'em all...let God sort 'em out" is doing just that.
BW
----- Original Message -----
From: <demonsaviour@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: To all americans
> At 11:14 AM 9/13/01 -0700, Bill Wynne wrote:
> >>"Kill 'em all...let God sort 'em out".
> >
> >It occurs to me this is the same "logic"
> >as the terrorists.
> >
> >BW
>
> True but ...
> Below is one of the most sensible post I have seen so far.
>
> ***
> From: L. Michael Hall, Ph.D
> Re: The Attack on American and Civilized Life
>
> THE NLP/ NS APPROACH
> There have been many excellent insights and expressions of care about
> the tragedies in NYC and Wash DC. on this egroup that offers some of the
> key NLP and NS responses. And I'm sure there will be many, many more in
> the days to come. In the July issue of Anchor Point I wrote an article
> about exceptions to some of the NLP Presuppositions. Since "Positive
> Intention" keeps coming up, I thought I'd pen a few words about that and
> how that governs our thinking in NLP/NS.
>
> CRIME AND INTENTIONALITY:
> Having worked as a psychologist with the Department of Corrections in
> the State of Colorado in working with inmates and those being released,
> I have worked intimately with those convicted of crimes as well as those
> suffering from what we call "a criminal mentality." Not everyone put in
> jail has a criminal mentality or a "sociopathy personality disorder."
> Some people just made mistakes, got in over their heads, acted out of
> desperation, etc.
> And these people are actually easy to work with. They feel "bad" --
> guilty, ashamed, embarrassed, scared, frustrated, etc. Their "negative"
> emotions still work as Warning Signals! They also can easily take
> second position and see the world from the eyes of their victims. I've
> often had to coach such persons to go ahead and accept the terrible
> feelings ... to welcome them so that they can tenderize the heart and
> renew their commitment to live honorable lives.
> It's a different story with those who lack basic human compassion and
> empathy and who can commit what we call "acts of war" that terrorize
> people. It's also a different story with those who have not been
> caught, not been stopped, not been appropriately punished. It's a
> different story with those who don't want help, don't think that anyone
> else has the right to correct them. With them we have to take a
> different approach.
> This is where force and power comes in. When I have conducted the
> "Defusing Hotheads" Training with Police Departments ... to give the
> police more tools for dealing with people at their wit's end so that
> they can talk them down and defuse them, I always frame it as aiming to
> do that. It's to use language to talk a person into a more calm and
> sane state so that they don't need to use police action.
> Yet when a person cannot be talked to, reasoned with, with a Frame of
> Revenge, Hatred, Race Superiority, Religious Superiority, or whatever
> over-rides basic human compassion, then police action is needed. "He who
> bears the Sword does not bear it in vain" means that National and
> International action against crime or terrorism is not revenge, but the
> proper role of government, of the body politic to protect itself.
> The question before the United States and the 18 nations of Nato at this
> moment is not what do we do with criminals, but what do we do with those
> who can premeditate the slaughter of thousands of innocent people and
> who have joined together to continue to do such?
> For me, this is NOT the time to ask about their "positive intentions."
> Of course, they had positive intentions. They wanted to accomplish
> something of value to themselves. But at what level was their positive
> intention? Certainly it was not at a level high enough to include all
> "people." "Positive Intentions" at too low a level (only at the first 2
> or 3 or 4 levels) can create "evil" and "destruction" for other people.
>
>
> And what was the Quality of the Positive Intentions? Selfish or
> unselfish? Ego-centric or Win/Win for all? This is the question we ask
> in MS to flush out the frames or meta-states governing an experience.
> That'
> s why positive intention alone, and apart from the higher belief frames,
> value frames, cultural frames, etc. is not enough. This is also why we
> should not view the NLP Presuppositions as absolutes.
> A few months ago I completed an analysis of the "Frame Games that Hilter
> Played." He certainly had his positive intentions -- for himself, his
> immediate group, and his mythology of Germany. He also had some really
> sick and toxic frames about the concept of "race" and "superiority." He
> also seemed to lack the basic human compassion that we call "empathy."
> What shall we do with a Hitler who manipulates his way to power and sets
> up a dictatorship where his twisted will holds sway? Do we not have to
> first stop him? I think so. Even if it takes the whole world to stop
> such destructive, ugly, and "evil" behaviors, the first step is to put a
> stop to such and do so in a way that sets such a negative anchor for
> such acts that it gives pause to anyone who contemplates such. What is
> it that Tony Robbins says? Attach massive pain.
>
> As a footnote, I want to note that the actions of Tuesday Sept. 11 were
> NOT from God-fearing Moslims. The Koran itself says that the Moslim is
> to love "his brothers the Jews and the Christians." And most Arab
> Nations today have condemned the terrorist attack. It's the extreme
> right-wing fundamentalists (or as Dr. Bob writes "funDAMentalists") who
> USE a given religion or philosophy to justify their faith.
>
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