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RE: Is it time to find a BETTER toolbox?


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  • Subject: RE: Is it time to find a BETTER toolbox?
  • From: "James Lillard" <lillard.main@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:51:14 -0700
  • In-reply-to: <MABBKKKMKJJMAOKMIKEHGELHCCAA.lillard.main@xxxxxxxxxxx>

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My Dear Pierre,

I appreciate you suggestion of using plugins by Doug Deming of Investment
Engineering, and I have written to him.

But, I probably could give you over 30 bugs, that exist in TS2000i.  Many of
them you can work around, but some of them you cannot.

Examples of a few:
I need to plot most EVERYTHING using the bar forward feature.  Therefore I
use the command PLOT1[-1] ...... all of the time.   Now when you use this
statement, the SetPlotColor and the SetPlotWidth commands are just ignored
and you have to set them manually.  This means that I must use a great many
more PLOT commands.  When I use the Text_Set commands to mark the results of
an indicator, again forward 1 bar, I must use large bars or the letters
might hide the open and close marks when the bar is finally drawn.  Also
when you use the Text_SetStyle right or left at exactly the same price
point, they will cover each other up as well as what is underneath the text.
Try and plot a vertical trend line to mark a resistance zone, again 1 bar
forward (yes, it can be done).  Try and use a paint bar study with multiple
colors and widths under program control, again 1 bar forward.  For another
bug, try and use interday time compression and then plot any study again 1
bar forward.  Nothing will show in the blank space to the right of the last
bar.

There are a number of us that would like to use TS2000i to do things that
the TRAD programmers apparently have never even tried and maybe never even
thought of.  I would like to plot 5 paintbars of different prices, widths
and colors all on top of each other in the space of just 1 bar, again 1 bar
forward and be able to plainly see all of the bars.  Some of my studies have
about 6 different trend lines per bar, all plotted 1 or more bars forward.

I have never understood why a plotting program should change the actual
vertical length of a bar when I change the width of a bar from 0 to 6, and
why have rounded ends.  When a bar is thicker, the open and close ticks
should be thicker also, but at no time should any of the vertical dimensions
change.  I also do not want to use the default settings of any drawing
object.  I wish to program everything.  I would like to program up, down,
right and left arrows markers of various sizes and colors any where I wished
on a chart.  I would even like to position many things to the right or the
left of any bar with a left and right offset parameter.  Need I continue?

How do you build you own dynamic bad print/crazy trade filter with
TradeStation.  It is not an easy thing to do, but I would not like to have
TRAD do it for me.  TRAD could never satisfy everyone with the same bad tick
filter.  I would also like an easier way to use different compression times
on the same chart when there is a change from the day to the night session.
Yes, I can program most of these things, using very fancy EL and a great
DLL, but it is not an efficient way to process a Real Time data stream.

Now I hope you understand why I would like TS2000i to become an really open
platform, so that I can control the properties and methods of the charting
engine and the compression methods of a raw data feed into the charting
engine.


Many Thanks
James Lillard

-----Original Message-----
From: pierre.orphelin [mailto:pierre.orphelin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 3:47 PM
To: omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Is it time to find a BETTER toolbox?


> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : James Lillard [mailto:lillard.main@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Envoy : mercredi 18 juillet 2001 18:39
>  : omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx
> Objet : Is it time to find a BETTER toolbox?
>
>
> I have been wondering if the time has come for a great many of the readers
> of this news-group to find a another charting toolbox?

The recurrent subject comes again...(usually on a quarterly basis)

>
> I agree with all of you, that TS2000i has far to many bugs.  I
> really think that the product will never get out of BETA testing, and we
all paid to be
> testers.  I no longer even bother reporting bugs to TRAD, because I have
> lost confidence in them ever being fixed.
>

If bugs are of same quality of those recently reported, I fear that the new
platform quest will be a waste of time...


> Currently, I am not using any of the TS build-in indicators and
> only a very few of the built-in functions.  I find that EasyLanguage is
far from being
> easy or bug free, and EL is at the very heart of TS and cannot be ignored.
> Example:  Try to plot anything custom on a chart without using
> EL.  I don't think it can be done using a DLL.  Between the bugs in EL and
the charting
> engine, I have just about had it with TradeStation.

Strange idea. Why do you want to plot without using EL?
Why a DLL here ?

>
> So, on August 17, 2001, I am going to the Online Trading
> conference/show in Washington D.C. with the express purpose of looking at
other
> charting tools. I would enjoy meeting face-to-face with other
news-group-readers
> if they are going to be in the area.   BTW - TRAD will be at the show
showing the new
> TradeStation Platform product.
>
> What is you opinion?

My opinion is that you have time to spend to visit luxurious booths and
collect  4 colors paper ads.

EL does not have bugs that will not aloow you to code what you need. But EL
needs some work and understanding, what you will not find at the Expo.

Sincerely,

Pierre Orphelin
www.sirtrade.com
TradeStation Technologies representative in France