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Re: stocks suck...electronic futures "rule"-margin requirements



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In a message dated 2/18/01 11:10:52 PM Central Standard Time, 
robert.cummings@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:

<< I  wondered about the validity of the a 50% margin requirement statement. 
I 
 assumed it was an error.

***** Everything I have read says the futures community agreed to let the 
margins be set by the Fed, as it is with stocks.  I believe that rate is 
currently 50%.  That is not to say that it can't be lowered in the future, 
especially if the U.S. sees trading volume move to overseas venues.

 The poster must have gotten confused with sec rules regarding securities. 
 Of course this instrument is not a security but a futures contract.

***** The reauthorization law for the CFTC included an agreement between the 
CFTC and SEC to jointly regulate single stock futures.  Thus, the SEC will be 
involved.

 But  anything is possible if the sec wants to be apart of the regulatory 
body 
 overseeing  it.

***** The SEC would like to take over the CFTC.  But this is not about what 
the SEC wants.  It is what the securities industry wants relative to what the 
futures industry wants in context to the competition they both face, 
especially from abroad.

I agree if a 50% margin turns out to be the requirement then why have it? The 
ability to sell it without an uptick or borrow the stock would be the only 
advantage.

***** Why do futures need a margin advantage to be viable.  I think there are 
several features which make them viable.  First is I believe single stock 
futures will be a leading indicator.  Yes, ECNS give fast fills.  They are 
essentially futures matching engines in the making.  But the movement in 
stocks is towards a single central order book.  The Supermontage proposal is 
supposed to facilitate that.  However, which will be faster, an order routed 
to an ECN, then the Supermontage, or an order sent to one central order book 
at the futures exchange.  Just like eminis became a leading indicator to the 
S&P pit, I think single stock futures could become a leading indicator to 
stocks.  Secondly, single stock futures pose a risk to the specialists on the 
NYSE.  It has always amazed me that part of what the specialists do is legal 
in the securities industry, but in the futures industry will get you sent to 
jail.  Single stock futures will go a long way towards leveling the playing 
field for stock traders, just like ECNs have done to a certain extent.  
Thirdly, there is no payment for order flow.  Tell me the one again about how 
the firm being paid for you orders has your best interests at heart.  
Fourthly, stocks are universally settled. Thus a trade in a single stock 
futures ultimately leads to delivery of the stock, if you want.  So it really 
does no matter where you trade, you can ultimately offset the trade easily.

Why were the options exchanges able to make multiple listing of stock options 
work?  For one, they all offset at the same clearing organization, the OCC.  
If you don't have to worry about the ongoing liquidity in the market you made 
the trade, because you can offset it elsewhere at the best available price 
then, then more people will be willing to take a chance on an illiquid market 
presenting them an opportunity now.

There are lots more reasons, but don't get me really started.  :-)  Of 
course, all of this is a rhetorical question at this point, as they don't yet 
exist in the U.S.  There will be lots of ways for the U.S. exchanges and 
regulators to screw this up yet.

Regards,

John J. Lothian

Disclosure: Futures trading involves financial risk, lots of it!


 The foreign futures exchanges have 
 futures contracts written on a select number of US stocks now. I don't know 
 if trading has commenced yet nor what margins they have in place for them. 
 Only US citizens can not trade them.
 
 Robert
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