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Sounds like we agree. My point is just that rolling the dice on Internet
delivery of RT data (mission-critical) is a huge gamble. The problems exist
at multiple points on the path, including the backbones.
BTW, if they don't oversell bandwith, then we all get to buy increased
reliability at an increased price. Compare fractional T1 with DSL. Similiar
speeds, different price points, different reliability profiles. The
government is trying to ensure access, not reliability.
Allan
At 06:40 AM 11/12/99 , M. Simms wrote:
>Exactly WHO are you referring to ?
>
>Many CLECs and even the Bells are drastically overselling
>bandwidth.......the FCC gave them the license to do so....so thank Uncle Sam
>for the current DSL mess we are in.
>
>I just came back from a conference where ISPs were ALL wringing their hands
>over DSL and ADSL.....
>slow rollouts, spotty support, equipment problems, aging copper line
>problems, switching center problems, behemoth Bell companies to deal with,
>etc.
>
>It's just not happening the way it was proposed to happen....it's a mess.
>
>Note: no excuse for UUNET....they are so incredibly overpriced !!!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Allan Kaminsky [mailto:allan@xxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:56 AM
> > To: M. Simms; JFC37@xxxxxxx; omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: HistoryBank & SP3, and "losing the lock" with eSignal.
> >
> >
> > You have an idealistic view of the Internet that is not reality. Look at
> > this thread that I have taken from postings within the last 24 hours
> > (posters identities masked);
> >
> > ---
> > Subject: someone call UUNET
> > Newsgroups: uswest.general
> >
> > Their backbone is dead 500+ pings under alter.net
> > ---
> >
> > Subject: Re: someone call UUNET
> > Newsgroups: uswest.general
> >
> > BOB wrote:
> >
> > >Their backbone is dead 500+ pings under alter.net
> >
> > It happens every so often. I've noticed a few spots totally
> > dying (timeouts
> > during traceroute).
> > ---
> >
> > Subject: Re: someone call UUNET
> > Newsgroups: uswest.general
> >
> > I noticed that last night, but now (3:50 AM) things are back to normal.
> >
> > I have noticed similar symptoms several times recently, usually during
> > prime-time. Either there is a severed fiber somewhere, or they are
> > drastically overselling bandwidth, because that time, with so many people
> > in, is the worst.
> >
> > --------------------------------------
> >
> > At 07:33 AM 11/11/99 , M. Simms wrote:
> > >IMPORTANT QUESTION: Exactly WHO is your ADSL provider ?
> > >
> > >...One of the Bell companies ....or a CLEC .... or an ISP
> > (UUNet, MCI, etc)
> > >????
> > >
> > >No excuse for spotty service with this technology......this indicates
> > >infrastructure problems with their gear at the switching
> > station. There is
> > >absolutely no reason why ADSL cannot support streaming data for realtime
> > >trading.
> > >
> > >BTW: what bandwidth of ADSL did you order ? (256, 512, 768, 1.2 meg, etc)
> > >Which ADSL adapter are you using ? (3Com, Motorola, ...)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: JFC37@xxxxxxx [mailto:JFC37@xxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 8:36 AM
> > > > To: omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: Re: HistoryBank & SP3, and "losing the lock" with eSignal.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I haven't received this message but have had problems pasting
> > > > data from 4.0
> > > > format into the global server. It shows it is downloaded
> > successfully but
> > > > doesn't make it into the charts. I have also had times when data
> > > > is plotting
> > > > real time in my 3 minute chart but nothing is showing up in the 5
> > > > minute. I
> > > > went through this on the phone with technical support and the
> > > > only conclusion
> > > > we could come to was the workspace was corrupt. It seems some of these
> > > > problems ended when I deleted TS2000i in it's entirety and
> > re-installed
> > > > service pack 3. My major problem with this software has been
> > > > losing the lock
> > > > with the data provider which is eSignal. I am using an ADSL line
> > > > with 233mhz,
> > > > pentium chip and 128mgs of ram. I go to data manager and it
> > shows no data
> > > > being received yet it also shows the system is working normally.
> > > > The only way
> > > > to get "the lock" back is to exit all programs, turn off
> > ADSL, shut the
> > > > computer down, turn ADSL back on, and reboot. By the time all
> > is up and
> > > > operating the day is shot since data has been lost and the
> > > > indicators aren't
> > > > working properly. eSignal people say the problem is the ADSL
> > > > providers don't
> > > > have enough demand for the product yet so they haven't invested in the
> > > > infrastructure which involves big dollars. They explained
> > that the data
> > > > doesn't stream through evenly and this causes the problem. To you
> > > > technical
> > > > sorts, does this make sense and is anyone else having similar
> > problems or
> > > > have any solutions?
> > > >
> >
> >
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