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Re: Do neural nets work?



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Back in 1993 I developed what I felt was a reliable NN system for 
trading stocks.  I wrote an article that appeared in the June 93 
issue of TAS&C which described my system.  I also published a 
newsletter that applied the system to trading stocks. 

My work was cited in Barron's and another publication (a commodity 
publication whose name escapes me) interviewed me regarding my 
prediction of a market decline in 1994.  They made a big deal that 
my Neural Net was as good as a crystal ball.

For a variety of reasons I stopped publishing the newsletter and a 
year later I stopped trading the system.

With that said I have the following observations:

I have some data that shows that for some stocks the NN accurately 
predicts stock price gain 5 weeks into the future.  The plot of 
actual and predicted gain fall on top of each other. I believe that 
this cannot happen by chance.  With other stocks it a bit more 
ragged and for others it plain doesn't work. As hard as I tried, I 
couldn't figure out what was the discriminator in this.  Another 
problem I had was translating predicted price gain into trading 
signals.  Had I been using TradeStation at the time, I think I could 
have solved that problem.  

Someday when I have more time to devote to this problem I may dust 
off these old programs and fire them up again.  Since I have seen 
some good results from fuzzy logic I have to agree with Pierre that 
this could be a dynamite combination.

Marlowe

 

> Date:          Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:17:44 -0300
> From:          Peter Hoon <phoon@xxxxxxx>
> To:            "'omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx'" <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject:       Do neural nets work?

>  Would appreciate comments, opinions, criticisms, personal stories on any one or all of the following:
> 
> 1)  For those who have used neural nets that are integrated into trade station:  To what percent does the use of a neural network improve the net profit of a trading system above and beyond that whic> 
> 2)  Does the N_train software, or other neural net software, have problems which cause ts4 to crash when you run the net and its accompanying dll on real time data for inta-day day trading?
> 
> 3)  How do you get from a neural net to an empirically derived set of rules and a trading system that is useful in day trading?
> 
> 4)  What empirical data exist to show that neural net software added to 
> ts4 actually produces improved bottom line day trading above and beyond what you can accomplish in EL code and existing ts4 (or ts 2000i) capabilities?
> 
> 5)  Are the hassles of data organization, pre-processing and massaging with neural nets worth it?
> 
>