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Risks - Pyramids - MaxDD ...I need your thoughts



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Let me give you a sample of a system I am playing with...I want to show a certain type of pyramidding and if it is mathematically safe.

These are the results of my simple syustem testing on CORN from 1983 to 1998

Total net profit	$  36107.00	Open position P/L	$   1187.50
Gross profit    	$  56481.00	Gross loss      	$ -20374.00

Total # of trades	     123	Percent profitable	      47%
Number winning trades	      58	Number losing trades	      65

Largest winning trade	$   4737.50	Largest losing trade	$  -1100.00
Average winning trade	$    973.81	Average losing trade	$   -313.45
Ratio avg win/avg loss	       3.11	Avg trade(win & loss)	$    293.55

Max consec. winners	       5	Max consec. losers	       8
Avg # bars in winners	      37	Avg # bars in losers	      15

Max intraday drawdown	$  -2800.00		 
Profit factor   	       2.77	Max # contracts held	       1
Account size required	$   2800.00	Return on account	    1290%


So an account of $2,800 would of turned into $36,107  (I know we would have a larger account than MaxDD in real life)


I then add the following line into the trading system

if netprofit <= 12000 then value1=1;
if netprofit > 12000 then value1 = (netprofit/6000);

If bla bla bla then buy value1 contracts tomorrow at open;
If bla bla bla then sell value1 contracts tomorrow at open;



Now here are the NEW results

Total net profit	$ 249419.50	Open position P/L	$  49875.00
Gross profit    	$ 524593.50	Gross loss      	$-275174.00

Total # of trades	     123	Percent profitable	      47%
Number winning trades	      58	Number losing trades	      65

Largest winning trade	$ 108962.50	Largest losing trade	$ -59475.00
Average winning trade	$   9044.72	Average losing trade	$  -4233.45
Ratio avg win/avg loss	       2.14	Avg trade(win & loss)	$   2027.80

Max consec. winners	       5	Max consec. losers	       8
Avg # bars in winners	      37	Avg # bars in losers	      15

Max intraday drawdown	$-119637.50		 
Profit factor   	       1.91	Max # contracts held	      61
Account size required	$ 119637.50	Return on account	     208%


I now make a quarter of a million. The maxDD is $120,000  BUT...I feel this is an artificial MaxDD...since I only buy more contracts if I have more NETPROFIT

1. Is this LOGICAL?
2. Is the MaxDD $2,800 or $119,637 or something in between?
3. I think Kaufman would argue that in the first system risks are constantly decreasing, but in the second system...risk is a constant....does this constant risk mean this is a time bomb? Got any simple math to prove it?
4. Can a MonteCarlo simulation be done on this system or does this again not work since postition size increases with netprofit...so the odds of a huge drawdown really early actually don't exist since the contract quantity traded early on would be very low.
5. Can this system be traded with $2,800 or even $10,000...rather than $120,000?

HELP! I have never seen this written about in books or seen in systems. 

thanks

Andy