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You wrote:
> 1). Nothing makes the eternal unseen. It so happens that the
> essence of creation is that the temporal is seen.
If you assume that what is seen *must* have been created.
> be known...only hoped, surmised, believed, etc. Reason can be
> easily used to mislead (ask any computer programmer who has to
> debug something that he KNEW he wrote correctly; a lawyer can
> reason quite convincingly that an innocent man is guilty or vice
> versa). Garbage in garbage out applies to the process of reason.
Faith can be mislead just as easily. Indeed the computer programmer
who KNEW he wrote the program correctly was using more faith than
reason to rationalize his program's correctness.
> You may indeed believe very strongly that only what is seen
> matters, but again, unless you can prove it to me with certainty,
> with the greatest respect I must point out that, once again, you
> are relying on your own strong belief. And that, as I hope to have
> shown, is just another way of saying, "faith."
No, it is what is seen that we can say with assurance exists. If you
doubt that the tangible exists, then you also cast doubt upon the
existance of its creator. If you accept that what is seen exists
then you don't need an unseen creator to rationalize its existance.
Proofs aren't needed to verify the existance of what is. Tangible
experience is verifiable and tautilogical. Give me a proof that
distinguishes a madman from a prophet. Oh, you can't? Then how
can you say that you faith is any better than the ravings of a lunatic?
> Finally, I prefer to distinguish between "gods," and God. The
> premise here is that there is only one true God, creator and
> sustainer of creation. Certainly, however, anything can be
> worshiped, trusted, and therefore be the object of faith; these I
> would call "gods."
This is dogma. Why should faith in a one and true God have any
precidence over many gods. Since they are all unseen, there is no
difference.
Can we dispense with the Philosophy Of Religion 101 and get back to
trading? These pissing contests are really getting tedious.
- Hacker
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