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Bryan,
Discussions about the dynamic nature of the zig-zag and their cousin peak and trough indicators have gone on in this and other forums for years. Most people decided to drop their use at that point in favor of indicators that were valid and could be used in real life trading.
Any indicator or system developed using these dynamic indicators should be openly identified so that you can make an informed decision about your technical analysis tools.
Spyros Raftopoulos did produce a set of indicators that were somewhat usable back in 2002 but even his work required validation which he openly admitted. A great deal of that work was conducted on the "old" Yahoo MetastockUsers group and there were a number of experts who weighed in on the problem at the time. As I remember Jose(no longer a member here) was only one of them. Others were Roy Larsen and Henry Kaczmarczyk. Spyros went on to publish his work in TASC. You can find some files about this in our files section.
As for Thomas' statement that MS11 indicators use the zig indicator, I cannot verify this. Joo Seng did point out earlier that All "MS11-Adaptive xxx" indicators use the Cycle method and are based on the zig zag. It should be a simple task to verify this yourself unless the indicators are password protected. I would also think that Equis would be upfront about the disclosure if it were the case.
Realize also that Thomas did mention his use of "adaptive" indicators and as Super has pointed out the question is what are these indicators adaptive to.
Hope this helps,
Preston
--- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "mr. bryan mccormick" <deepfoobar@xxx> wrote:
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> Wow. Well if this is true, I am not sure what use they could be. A zig-zag is a backward looking indicator. As many people have written in the past, not the least of them Jose Silva, systems based on zig-zag will give nonsense results because of this backwards look. I am not sure if Jose is still active. Perhaps I have this wrong. He would be the correct person to comment.
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> From: joo seng <jooseng6@xxx>
> Subject: Re: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: MS 11 Pro with ZIGZAG in indicators
> To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 1:00 PM
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> From: superfragalist <no_reply@xxxxxxxxxx s.com>
> Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: MS 11 Pro with ZIGZAG in indicators
> To: equismetastock@ yahoogroups. com
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