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RL> Look under File/Open/Options/Load Options (MS 9.1) to find the
RL> default setting for the number of bars loaded for each chart.
Roy:
I'm VERY happy! :)
NOW I'm getting the SAME results from INDICATOR and EXPLORER.
This discusion was very useful for me.
THANK YOU VERY VERY VERY MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At the end your explanations and patience were the key for my
understanding :) :) :)
Also, I've learnt an important lesson: the fault can be mine :)
BEST REGARGS,
Pablo
RL> of bars loaded for each chart. Use this number as the number of records to load for your exploration. Securities with less historical data will load all available data for both charts and
RL> explorations, and securities with more data will only load the number of bars stipulated. By doing this even your exploration should match chart results when periodicity and last dates are the
RL> same.
RL> Remember that the data used for an exploration is the same data used for creating a chart, and identical formulas on identical data must produce identical results. If the results are different
RL> then something else is also different about the way the same data is being used.
RL> I get identical results when I use identical data and parameters (dates and periodicity).
RL> Regards
RL> Roy
RL> www.metastocktips.co.nz
RL> ----- Original Message -----
RL> From: Paolo
RL> To: Roy Larsen
RL> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:25 PM
RL> Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] "Fully" posible
RL> Roy,
RL> Thank U very much for all your explanations and patience.
RL> It's "fully" posible I'm doing something wrong but It's becoming very
RL> hard to find my mistake.
RL> About the bars, I'm exploring 10,000 records (more than enought) but
RL> the problem still.
RL> I want to say I found very interesting your suggestions to "Dan" about
RL> how make an indicator.
RL> I hope in a future to be able to understand Metastock as U and Jose
RL> Silva do :)
RL> Thanks for spend your time with us ("new users") :)
RL> Best regards,
RL> Pablo
RL> PS: anyway if someone can try my code as indicator and explorer to see
RL> if my problem has a solution I'd be very happy!!!
RL>> Hi Pablo
RL>> I think the mistake is your's, though not one of the possibilities I suggested. This code is counting events (divergences), so it follows that to get the same result from the Explorer as the
RL>> Indicator Builder you MUST compare apples with apples (use the same number of bars). The Explorer only reports to 4 decimal digits so this value may be rounded (and therefore different) from the
RL>> value on a chart via the data window. This however is an issue that most of us can live with, and it's not related to your problem.
RL>> If MetaStock is set to open 2500 bars for a chart then you must explore 2500 bars also to be sure of capturing the same number of divergences and generating the same results from the exploration.
RL>> Even a difference of one bar could legitimately give a different result. This is a fact of life when accumulating data - your starting point is (date, time or bar) has a big influence on the
RL>> final result. The earlier you start accumulating the greater the probability that you will accumulate more divergences.
RL>> This comes back to what Preston told you - "Make sure that the displayed data and the explored data are the same". In many situations it's reasonable to expect that an accurate result is possible
RL>> by exploring many fewer bars than usually required for an open chart, but the particular formula you're using demands that you use exactly the same number of bars as the chart you're are
RL>> comparing the result with. To do otherwise, as you have proved, generates different values from the accumulations and therefore different results.
RL>> I don't need to be a defender of MetaStock. MS is not perfect, but most reported problems from new users are not the result of MetaStock making the mistakes.
RL>> Regards
RL>> Roy
RL>> www.metastocktips.co.nz
RL>> ----- Original Message -----
RL>> From: Paolo
RL>> To: Roy Larsen
RL>> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 1:37 PM
RL>> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [SPAM] [EquisMetaStock Group] "what am I doing wrong?"
RL>> Roy,
RL>> THANK U VERY MUCH for your suggestions. They are appreciated!
RL>> I've created my explorer "di novo", using default peridicity, records
RL>> to be loaded, etc. I've checked ALL.
RL>> It's true I DO NOT TRUST in Metastock because it's new for me.
RL>> So.... MAYBE I should ask myself "what am I doing wrong?" as you said.
RL>> Anyway, I guess there is something wrong with Metastock.....
RL>> If you are a *Metastock defender*, I invite you to test my code.
RL>> If you are able to pick the same values from the "indicator" and the
RL>> "explorer" then I'll congratulate you :)
RL>> ... and I'll become very happy man (no more conflicts!)
RL>> I still thinking ANY CODE should make the same results INDEPENDENTLY
RL>> if it's in the Indicator Builder or Explorer (!)
RL>> The code to try is:
RL>> ColA:
RL>> ====
RL>> { User inputs }
RL>> pds:=25; {for calculus of divergences}
RL>> p1:=20; { Divergence pds for short moving average }
RL>> p2:=200; { Divergence pds for long moving average }
RL>> s1:= Mov(C,p1,E);
RL>> s2:= Mov(C,p2,E);
RL>> { Divergences }
RL>> divs:=If(s1<Mov(s1,pds,E) AND (s1<Ref(s1,-pds)) AND
s2>>>Mov(s2,pds,E) AND (s2>Ref(s2,-pds)),-1,
If(s1>>>Mov(s1,pds,E) AND (s1>Ref(s1,-pds)) AND
RL>> s2<Mov(s2,pds,E) AND (s2<Ref(s2,-pds)) ,1,0));
RL>> DP:=If(divs=1,divs+PREV,PREV); { acumulate of (+)divs }
RL>> DN:=If(divs=-1,divs+PREV,PREV); { acumulate of (-)divs }
RL>> Abs(DP/DN); {Ratio}
RL>> Filter: (of course, NOT in the indicator)
RL>> =======
RL>> ColA<>0
RL>> --------
RL>> Thank U in advance!
RL>> Best reagards,
RL>> Pablo
RL>>> Hi Paolo
RL>>> I suggest that you Edit your exploration, look under Options, and set Exploration Date to Most Recent Date. Each exploration has this choice, and if you created your exploration by copying from
RL>>> another that was set to Specific Date then the new exploration will have the same setting.
RL>>> Another distinct possibility is that you have Periodicity set incorrectly - this will also give values that are way off.
RL>>> The one thing that you can be sure of is that your exploration is doing exactly what you have told it to do. You are responsible for errors in the results, and accepting that will enable you to
RL>>> follow through and fix mistakes. Assuming that the problem lies with the Explorer makes finding the problem much harder because you'll be looking in the wrong places. I'm not suggesting that you
RL>>> personally are blaming MetaStock, but offering my thoughts for those that whose first thought is such a situation is to ask "what is MetaStock doing wrong?" when the question should be "what am
RL>>> I
RL>>> doing wrong?".
RL>>> Regards
RL>>> Roy
RL>>> www.metastocktips.co.nz
RL>>> ----- Original Message -----
RL>>> From: Paolo
RL>>> To: pumrysh
RL>>> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 5:14 AM
RL>>> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [SPAM] Re: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Explorer (!)(!)(
RL>>> Preston:
RL>>> You was RIGHT about explorer wasn't loading ALL the records
RL>>> BUT now after load 10,000 records, with other values, the PROBLEM
RL>>> STILL (continue)
RL>>> The values are so diferent as: 1.5061 (explorer) vs. 0.083(indicator)
RL>>> I thought after load ALL the records the problem wold be solved but
RL>>> now I'm afraid it has no solution.
RL>>> It's crazy the explorer takes values from 1996 when the stock data of
RL>>> that security (CEPU2) starts in 2004 !!!!!!! :O
RL>>> Thank U for help me.
RL>>> Best regads,
RL>>> Pablo
p>>>> You explored a different length of data. Make sure that the
p>>>> displayed data and explored data are the same. When you first open
p>>>> the explorer window, you will notice an explore, reports, and
p>>>> options button at the bottom. Go into options to set the looback
p>>>> period.
p>>>> Preston
p>>>> --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Paolo <italoarg76@xxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi!!!
>>>>> I've developed an indicator and then I put it into
>>>>> the explorer (as Jose Silve teach me)
>>>>> The values calculated by the explorer are VERY diferent of the
>>>>> indicator and I could to see the explorer values were WRONG!!!
>>>>> What's happen with the explorer ?!!
>>>>> How can I use this tool if it fails so much ?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>> The explorer code tried was:
>>>>>
>>>>> ColA:
>>>>> ====
>>>>>
>>>>> { User inputs }
>>>>> pds:=25; {for calculus of divergences}
>>>>> p1:=20; { Divergence pds for short moving average }
>>>>> p2:=200; { Divergence pds for long moving average }
>>>>>
>>>>> s1:= Mov(C,p1,E);
>>>>> s2:= Mov(C,p2,E);
>>>>>
>>>>> { Divergences }
>>>>>
>>>>> divs:=If(s1<Mov(s1,pds,E) AND (s1<Ref(s1,-pds)) AND
>>>>> s2>Mov(s2,pds,E) AND (s2>Ref(s2,-pds)),-1,
>>>>> If(s1>Mov(s1,pds,E) AND (s1>Ref(s1,-pds)) AND
>>>>> s2<Mov(s2,pds,E) AND (s2<Ref(s2,-pds)) ,1,0));
>>>>>
>>>>> DP:=If(divs=1,divs+PREV,PREV); { acumulate of (+)divs }
>>>>> DN:=If(divs=-1,divs+PREV,PREV); { acumulate of (-)divs }
>>>>>
>>>>> Abs(DP/DN); {Ratio}
>>>>>
>>>>> Filter:
>>>>> ======
>>>>>
>>>>> colA<>0
>>>>>
>>>>> -------
>>>>> Thank U in advance.
>>>>> Arrivederci!
>>>>> Pablo
>>>>>
p>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
RL>>> Pablo Bozzolo
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