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Hi Larry,
 
Let's say a company spins off a portion of themselves and provides a capital distribution.  And if it's a $60 a stock on the day before the ex-date and it's a $30 stock.  What you need to do is calculate a dilution factor that applies to all history.  In this case, it's a fairly simple factor of 0.5 which applies to all previous prices and volume (with the volume, though, you divide by the dilution factor).  Note that if $30 were simply taken off the value of all historical data, your % return would be skewed.  This is why there needs to be a factor applied.  If the capital distribution were say $15, your dilution factor would be 0.75.
 
It gets rather complicated on some markets and events.  Some companies insist on trying to do everything on the same day - eg. stock split, demerger (ie capital distribution) and dividend all at once, so some of them often need a closer look to untangle the mess.
 
When it comes to normal cash dividends, we do not make any adjustments.  If adjustments were made due to cash dividends, typical forms of technical analysis such as determination support/resistance levels would be skewed. 
 
A case can be made for adjusting for cash dividends which would then show an accurate "total return", but this would also throw comparisons with most indexes into disarray, since most indexes are not dividend adjusted.
 
Note that stock dividends (which is another way of saying bonus issue) is a dilutionary event.  Whenver a company "declares" a stock dividend they aren't really doing much apart from diluting the share price.
 
Best regards,
Richard Dale.
Norgate Investor Services
- Premium quality Stock, Futures and Foreign Exchange Data for
  markets in Australia, Asia, Canada, Europe, UK & USA -
 


From: Larry Carhartt [mailto:lc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, 17 October 2005 1:55 AM
To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [EquisMetaStock Group] Question for Richard Dale

Hi Richard,
 
I, too, have a question, not directly related to MetaStock, but of interest, I hope.  Obviously when a stock splits, its previous price history is adjusted to reflect the split.  How are large capital distributions and/or dividends handled?  In other words, say a stock trades at 60 and they pay shareholders a $30.00 cash distribution.  I know the current price would be reduced by the $30.00 amount, but what about the historical prices?  Are they, too, reduced by the $30.00 amount or not?  For some reason, my feeble brain cannot remember how this is handled.
 
Best,

Larry Carhartt

MasterDATA Composite Plug-in For MetaStock
The Only Source for Index & ETF Composite/Breadth Historical MetaStock Data
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-----Original Message-----
From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Richard Dale
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 1:19 AM
To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [EquisMetaStock Group] Question for Richard Dale

Hi Andy,
 
Right now we don't have any immediate plans for Canadian or European data.  We tried to come up with a decent LSE feed about a year and a half ago, but found that there were significant problems with regards to the way the LSE provides data.
 
There are multiple trading systems, some market-maker driven, some electronic order book and some a hybrid of the two.  Some stocks traded on multiple systems.  There was also a problem in that many markets were reported as a mid-point between the bid and ask, rather than the actual trades that went through.  This, we think, was due in part to the LSE allowing trades to be reported up to two hours later than they occur.
 
We surveyed multiple data sources for the data and found that there were rarely agreements between the different data sources.  Given the unreliability of such data, we decided that it was prudent not to offer data that was so inaccurate.  We'll have another look at it in the future - hopefully the LSE will have a  definition of what they consider to be the official open, high, low, close and volume.
 
Best regards,
Richard Dale.
Norgate Investor Services
- Premium quality Stock, Futures and Foreign Exchange Data for
  markets in Australia, Asia, Canada, Europe, UK & USA -
 


From: Andy [mailto:AndyDavidson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, 14 October 2005 7:25 PM
To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Question for Richard Dale

Richard,

 

Lots of rave reviews lately which is great to see. The only thing stopping me personally from switching right now is this question of coverage. Any comments on whether you intend to cover the Canadian and/or European (esp. LSE) markets in the near future?

 

Andy

 



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