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Hi there,
I once built a neural network exlusively on slopes but this did not
work well and we eventually used a net that also incorporated other
indicators. So in this case it did not work, but we do use it - or
maybe, this idea - frequently in building indicators.
Say you are testing a great new indicator. Suppose, just for the
example, that it is the RSI. Now, we often get an improvement in
performance from say the RSI by, instead of using the RSI itself,
using changes in it (its derivative). So we calculate something like
y1 := RSI(25); {Replace with your super duper indicator}
y2 := y1 - Ref(y1,1); {You could play with different periods, we
often test a few small ones, say 1 to 5}
Now you can either see how y2 performs, or create a signal line on top
of it, say
y3 := y2 - Mov(y2,S,10);
Again, you can play around with (spell o-p-t-i-m-i-s-e) the 10 here.
I think Fourier type stuff will give an idea of the trading range, in
practise though, we use trendlines.
Regards
MG Ferreira
TsaTsa EOD Programmer and trading model builder
http://www.ferra4models.com
http://fun.ferra4models.com
--- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "tan ming"
<reminiscenostalgia@xxxx> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Personally I found the True Strength Indicator presented by Preston was
> useful. The indicator works great in identifying trend which are
persistent.
> However when theres a upcoming moderate swing trading range, the
indicator
> oscillate between 100 to -100 instead of persist in upper or lower
range.
> The TSI seeks to quantify the trend degree. Perhaps, a indicator
quantifying
> the trading range degree, taking into account of the ampltitude of
swings
> will complement the TSI greatly.
>
> Preston, with regard to your mentioned abt time frame in determining of
> strength, I fully agree abt it. I use weekly and daily data to
determine the
> trend. Basically I plot MA on weekly data and if the price is highly
the MA,
> I will look for long in the daily. However I found this has a flaw.
Very
> often I encounter large down swing in the daily despite the weekly
is up and
> vice versa. N in the end I got stop out. Anyone ppl wish to
contribute how
> to utilize different timeframe to determine trend?
>
> MG I found your idea on the use of slope extremely useful. Actually
I did
> monitor the slope of MA but didn't quantify it. U mentioned abt this
idea
> didn't perform as well in the market. What is the main set back of
the lack
> of performing? Personally I think there r more ideas on how to
maximise the
> idea od using slope to determine the maturity of trend such as ROC
(which u
> mentioned previously) on the slope.
>
> Many indicators had devised to determining the trend degree. How abt
> developing indicator to determining the degree of trading range?
>
> Regards.
>
> >From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Reply-To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Digest Number 1274
> >Date: 6 Aug 2005 08:40:30 -0000
> >
> >
> >There are 15 messages in this issue.
> >
> >Topics in this digest:
> >
> > 1. BM data quotes
> > From: stewardship1959
> > 2. Trend Following
> > From: "tan ming" <reminiscenostalgia@xxxx>
> > 3. Previously Loved Books For Sale
> > From: johndoetrader18
> > 4. Re: Trend Following
> > From: pumrysh
> > 5. Re: Trend Following
> > From: mgf_za_1999
> > 6. Re: Trend Following
> > From: mgf_za_1999
> > 7. Re: Trend Following
> > From: pumrysh
> > 8. SWING TRADING..............
> > From: santosh shanbhag <santubaba@xxxx>
> > 9. Re: Trend Following
> > From: "Roy Larsen" <rlarsen@xxxx>
> > 10. RE: Goal-post pattern
> > From: "Tim" <prez@xxxx>
> > 11. scrolling through charts
> > From: "robcpettit" <robcpettit@xxxx>
> > 12. RE: Goal-post pattern
> > From: "Tim" <prez@xxxx>
> > 13. Re: Goal-post pattern
> > From: "rvalue1" <rvalue1@xxxx>
> > 14. RE: SWING TRADING..............
> > From: "Hitendra Vasudeo" <hitendra@xxxx>
> > 15. Re: scrolling through charts
> > From: mgf_za_1999
> >
> >
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:14:56 -0000
> > From: stewardship1959
> >Subject: BM data quotes
> >
> >Does anyone know of any source of free quotes for the broad market
> >indicators in the BM data subdirectory. Any help would be greatly
> >appreciated!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 18:00:42 +0800
> > From: "tan ming" <reminiscenostalgia@xxxx>
> >Subject: Trend Following
> >
> >This post hope to starts a discussion on what are the available
methods or
> >indicators which can effectively used to determine whether current
price is
> >in a trend mode. Personally moving average is my main indicator to
dtermine
> >trend. However as many of you guys know, it suffer when the market is
> >starting going to a tradning range. Pls join in the discussion on the
> >following topic:
> >
> >1) What are the effective methods or indicators to determine
whether the
> >current price is in a trend mode.
> >
> >2) What are the effective methods or indicators inorder to tell
whether the
> >current price in the early, middle or mature trend?
> >
> >Great guys like Jose, Roy, MG and many of them in the forum pls
offer some
> >pointers.
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________
> >Block pop-up ads with MSN Toolbar. http://toolbar.msn.com.my/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:20:56 -0000
> > From: johndoetrader18
> >Subject: Previously Loved Books For Sale
> >
> >I have a few previously loved books left that I'm selling.
> >
> >johndoeforever(at)comcast.net
> >
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> >italics. If you can find them cheaper at Trader's Library or Trading
> >Books Outlet or Wal-Mart, buy them there.
> >
> >Trading DVDs and Videos Sold Individually--books sold in sets.
> >
> >DiNapoli Levels DVD Explains the DiNapoli indicators
> >and how to use Fib levels with them
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> >
> >Book: Trading with DiNapoli Levels
> >Joe DiNapoli
> >$150 My Price $75
> >
> >Martin Pring Market Momentum
> >These 3 videos explain Prings approach to momentum trading.
> >Training Class 3 Videos $245 My price $60
> >
> >
> >Book Set #1 $55 plus shipping
> >
> >Understanding Bollinger Bands
> >Dobson, Edward D.
> >$8.00
> >
> >How I've Achieved Triple-Digit Returns Daytrading…4 Hours A Day
> >Floyd, David
> >$42.00
> >
> >A Complete Guide to Technical Trading Tactics
> >(How to Profit Using Pivot Points, Candlesticks & Other Indicators)
> >Person, John L.
> >$37.77
> >
> >The Trading Rule That Can Make You Rich
> >(Precision Bid Commodity Trading)
> >Dobson, Edward D.
> >$25.46
> >
> >Book 2 $22.50 plus shipping
> >
> >Point Figure Charting
> >(The Essential Application for Forecasting and Tracking Market Prices)
> >Dorsey, Thomas J.
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> >
> >
> >Book Set 3 $50 plus shipping
> >
> >Channels and Cycles: A Tribute to J.M. Hurst
> >Brian J. Millard
> >$38.25
> >
> >The Profit Magic of Stock Transaction Timing
> >J. M. Hurst
> >$35
> >
> >The Best Trendline Methods of Alan Andrews and Five New
> >Trendline Techniques
> >Patrick Mikula
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> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:24:03 -0000
> > From: pumrysh
> >Subject: Re: Trend Following
> >
> >Tan,
> >
> >In message 18455 I presented the Trend Strength Indicator. It is a
> >useful tool for determining trend using moving averages.
> >
> >Trend is somewhat nebulous though because it is indeterminate of
> >time. No discussion would be complete without a discussion of
> >timeframe. The real question then becomes at what point do you
> >consider a trend to be in effect. Is it best of 5, best of 7, etc.,
> >etc.? This is a real problem for most traders as they try to
> >determine trend by looking at indicators using to many variations in
> >their timeframes. Consistency here is half the battle. By setting
> >your timeframes correctly and using the correct perspective you will
> >gain a far better understanding of trend.
> >
> >Preston
> >
> >
> >--- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "tan ming"
> ><reminiscenostalgia@xxxx> wrote:
> > > This post hope to starts a discussion on what are the available
> >methods or
> > > indicators which can effectively used to determine whether current
> >price is
> > > in a trend mode. Personally moving average is my main indicator to
> >dtermine
> > > trend. However as many of you guys know, it suffer when the market
> >is
> > > starting going to a tradning range. Pls join in the discussion on
> >the
> > > following topic:
> > >
> > > 1) What are the effective methods or indicators to determine
> >whether the
> > > current price is in a trend mode.
> > >
> > > 2) What are the effective methods or indicators inorder to tell
> >whether the
> > > current price in the early, middle or mature trend?
> > >
> > > Great guys like Jose, Roy, MG and many of them in the forum pls
> >offer some
> > > pointers.
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________________
> > > Block pop-up ads with MSN Toolbar. http://toolbar.msn.com.my/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:00:40 -0000
> > From: mgf_za_1999
> >Subject: Re: Trend Following
> >
> >Have a look at regression analysis, specifically the beta or slope
> >indicator. This gives the slope of a line fitted to the data, a high
> >value indicates that the ticker is trending, low, close to zero values
> >shows it is going nowhere. The value actually gives something that
> >can be interpreted as the average historical change per bar and also
> >the expected change for the next day. There are many options when
> >using it in practise, such as adding a signal line or playing around
> >with the period, and so on.
> >
> >If you like moving averages, you can try to use the difference (ROC in
> >MSFL) of your favourite moving average. Again, play around with it a
> >bit, but if this value is high, then the market is trending and when
> >it falls off, the market either is reversing the trend or starting to
> >oscillate.
> >
> >The problem with this is that it requires a longer rather than shorter
> >time period and, like the moving average, suffers from lag.
> >
> >Regards
> >MG Ferreira
> >TsaTsa EOD Programmer and trading model builder
> >http://www.ferra4models.com
> >http://fun.ferra4models.com
> >
> >
> >--- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, pumrysh <no_reply@xxxx> wrote:
> > > Tan,
> > >
> > > In message 18455 I presented the Trend Strength Indicator. It is a
> > > useful tool for determining trend using moving averages.
> > >
> > > Trend is somewhat nebulous though because it is indeterminate of
> > > time. No discussion would be complete without a discussion of
> > > timeframe. The real question then becomes at what point do you
> > > consider a trend to be in effect. Is it best of 5, best of 7, etc.,
> > > etc.? This is a real problem for most traders as they try to
> > > determine trend by looking at indicators using to many variations in
> > > their timeframes. Consistency here is half the battle. By setting
> > > your timeframes correctly and using the correct perspective you will
> > > gain a far better understanding of trend.
> > >
> > > Preston
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "tan ming"
> > > <reminiscenostalgia@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > This post hope to starts a discussion on what are the available
> > > methods or
> > > > indicators which can effectively used to determine whether current
> > > price is
> > > > in a trend mode. Personally moving average is my main indicator to
> > > dtermine
> > > > trend. However as many of you guys know, it suffer when the market
> > > is
> > > > starting going to a tradning range. Pls join in the discussion on
> > > the
> > > > following topic:
> > > >
> > > > 1) What are the effective methods or indicators to determine
> > > whether the
> > > > current price is in a trend mode.
> > > >
> > > > 2) What are the effective methods or indicators inorder to tell
> > > whether the
> > > > current price in the early, middle or mature trend?
> > > >
> > > > Great guys like Jose, Roy, MG and many of them in the forum pls
> > > offer some
> > > > pointers.
> > > >
> > > > _________________________________________________________________
> > > > Block pop-up ads with MSN Toolbar. http://toolbar.msn.com.my/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 6
> > Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:10:11 -0000
> > From: mgf_za_1999
> >Subject: Re: Trend Following
> >
> >Some ideas regarding the maturity of a trend....
> >
> >I once built a neural network on this idea, where I would use the
> >slope calculated from various time frames and calculate the difference
> >between it, thus I have the difference between the slope of the past
> >100 observations, the past 50 observations and say the past 30
> >observations. The idea is that if this increases, then the slope is
> >becoming higher and the trend is strengthening and vice versa if this
> >is decreasing. The net did not do that well in trading the markets
> >and we never used it, but you could use similar ideas to try and
> >ascertain if you are dealing with a 'young' or 'mature' trend.
> >
> >What we do is, the moment an indicator signals a 'buy' or a 'sell' is
> >to start weighing that down. So say some indicator goes from -1 to +1
> >and signals a buy. Suppose for the next ten days this indicator
> >somehow stays at +1. We will filter it using something like 1/n (plot
> >it to see what I mean) so that the actual signal value will be 1, 0.5,
> >0.3333, 0.25 ..... The idea is to make the signal 'strong'
> >immediately after it changed but less so if it has been positive for a
> >loooong time. It has it drawbacks and is unashamedly aimed at shorter
> >term trading - so buy and hold proponents will not like this - but it
> >is a way to mature a trend by intervention!
> >
> >Regards
> >MG Ferreira
> >TsaTsa EOD Programmer and trading model builder
> >http://www.ferra4models.com
> >http://fun.ferra4models.com
> >
> >
> >--- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, mgf_za_1999 <no_reply@xxxx>
wrote:
> > > Have a look at regression analysis, specifically the beta or slope
> > > indicator. This gives the slope of a line fitted to the data, a
high
> > > value indicates that the ticker is trending, low, close to zero
values
> > > shows it is going nowhere. The value actually gives something that
> > > can be interpreted as the average historical change per bar and also
> > > the expected change for the next day. There are many options when
> > > using it in practise, such as adding a signal line or playing around
> > > with the period, and so on.
> > >
> > > If you like moving averages, you can try to use the difference
(ROC in
> > > MSFL) of your favourite moving average. Again, play around with
it a
> > > bit, but if this value is high, then the market is trending and when
> > > it falls off, the market either is reversing the trend or
starting to
> > > oscillate.
> > >
> > > The problem with this is that it requires a longer rather than
shorter
> > > time period and, like the moving average, suffers from lag.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > MG Ferreira
> > > TsaTsa EOD Programmer and trading model builder
> > > http://www.ferra4models.com
> > > http://fun.ferra4models.com
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, pumrysh <no_reply@xxxx>
wrote:
> > > > Tan,
> > > >
> > > > In message 18455 I presented the Trend Strength Indicator. It is a
> > > > useful tool for determining trend using moving averages.
> > > >
> > > > Trend is somewhat nebulous though because it is indeterminate of
> > > > time. No discussion would be complete without a discussion of
> > > > timeframe. The real question then becomes at what point do you
> > > > consider a trend to be in effect. Is it best of 5, best of 7,
etc.,
> > > > etc.? This is a real problem for most traders as they try to
> > > > determine trend by looking at indicators using to many
variations in
> > > > their timeframes. Consistency here is half the battle. By setting
> > > > your timeframes correctly and using the correct perspective
you will
> > > > gain a far better understanding of trend.
> > > >
> > > > Preston
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "tan ming"
> > > > <reminiscenostalgia@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > This post hope to starts a discussion on what are the available
> > > > methods or
> > > > > indicators which can effectively used to determine whether
current
> > > > price is
> > > > > in a trend mode. Personally moving average is my main
indicator to
> > > > dtermine
> > > > > trend. However as many of you guys know, it suffer when the
market
> > > > is
> > > > > starting going to a tradning range. Pls join in the
discussion on
> > > > the
> > > > > following topic:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) What are the effective methods or indicators to determine
> > > > whether the
> > > > > current price is in a trend mode.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) What are the effective methods or indicators inorder to tell
> > > > whether the
> > > > > current price in the early, middle or mature trend?
> > > > >
> > > > > Great guys like Jose, Roy, MG and many of them in the forum pls
> > > > offer some
> > > > > pointers.
> > > > >
> > > > >
_________________________________________________________________
> > > > > Block pop-up ads with MSN Toolbar. http://toolbar.msn.com.my/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 7
> > Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:29:59 -0000
> > From: pumrysh
> >Subject: Re: Trend Following
> >
> >MG,
> >
> >Good Points!
> >
> >Preston
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, mgf_za_1999 <no_reply@xxxx>
> >wrote:
> > > Some ideas regarding the maturity of a trend....
> > >
> > > I once built a neural network on this idea, where I would use the
> > > slope calculated from various time frames and calculate the
> >difference
> > > between it, thus I have the difference between the slope of the past
> > > 100 observations, the past 50 observations and say the past 30
> > > observations. The idea is that if this increases, then the slope is
> > > becoming higher and the trend is strengthening and vice versa if
> >this
> > > is decreasing. The net did not do that well in trading the markets
> > > and we never used it, but you could use similar ideas to try and
> > > ascertain if you are dealing with a 'young' or 'mature' trend.
> > >
> > > What we do is, the moment an indicator signals a 'buy' or a 'sell'
> >is
> > > to start weighing that down. So say some indicator goes from -1 to
> >+1
> > > and signals a buy. Suppose for the next ten days this indicator
> > > somehow stays at +1. We will filter it using something like 1/n
> >(plot
> > > it to see what I mean) so that the actual signal value will be 1,
> >0.5,
> > > 0.3333, 0.25 ..... The idea is to make the signal 'strong'
> > > immediately after it changed but less so if it has been positive
> >for a
> > > loooong time. It has it drawbacks and is unashamedly aimed at
> >shorter
> > > term trading - so buy and hold proponents will not like this - but
> >it
> > > is a way to mature a trend by intervention!
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > MG Ferreira
> > > TsaTsa EOD Programmer and trading model builder
> > > http://www.ferra4models.com
> > > http://fun.ferra4models.com
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, mgf_za_1999 <no_reply@xxxx>
> >wrote:
> > > > Have a look at regression analysis, specifically the beta or slope
> > > > indicator. This gives the slope of a line fitted to the data, a
> >high
> > > > value indicates that the ticker is trending, low, close to zero
> >values
> > > > shows it is going nowhere. The value actually gives something
> >that
> > > > can be interpreted as the average historical change per bar and
> >also
> > > > the expected change for the next day. There are many options when
> > > > using it in practise, such as adding a signal line or playing
> >around
> > > > with the period, and so on.
> > > >
> > > > If you like moving averages, you can try to use the difference
> >(ROC in
> > > > MSFL) of your favourite moving average. Again, play around with
> >it a
> > > > bit, but if this value is high, then the market is trending and
> >when
> > > > it falls off, the market either is reversing the trend or
> >starting to
> > > > oscillate.
> > > >
> > > > The problem with this is that it requires a longer rather than
> >shorter
> > > > time period and, like the moving average, suffers from lag.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > MG Ferreira
> > > > TsaTsa EOD Programmer and trading model builder
> > > > http://www.ferra4models.com
> > > > http://fun.ferra4models.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, pumrysh <no_reply@xxxx>
> >wrote:
> > > > > Tan,
> > > > >
> > > > > In message 18455 I presented the Trend Strength Indicator. It
> >is a
> > > > > useful tool for determining trend using moving averages.
> > > > >
> > > > > Trend is somewhat nebulous though because it is indeterminate
> >of
> > > > > time. No discussion would be complete without a discussion of
> > > > > timeframe. The real question then becomes at what point do you
> > > > > consider a trend to be in effect. Is it best of 5, best of 7,
> >etc.,
> > > > > etc.? This is a real problem for most traders as they try to
> > > > > determine trend by looking at indicators using to many
> >variations in
> > > > > their timeframes. Consistency here is half the battle. By
> >setting
> > > > > your timeframes correctly and using the correct perspective you
> >will
> > > > > gain a far better understanding of trend.
> > > > >
> > > > > Preston
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "tan ming"
> > > > > <reminiscenostalgia@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > This post hope to starts a discussion on what are the
> >available
> > > > > methods or
> > > > > > indicators which can effectively used to determine whether
> >current
> > > > > price is
> > > > > > in a trend mode. Personally moving average is my main
> >indicator to
> > > > > dtermine
> > > > > > trend. However as many of you guys know, it suffer when the
> >market
> > > > > is
> > > > > > starting going to a tradning range. Pls join in the
> >discussion on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > following topic:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) What are the effective methods or indicators to determine
> > > > > whether the
> > > > > > current price is in a trend mode.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2) What are the effective methods or indicators inorder to
> >tell
> > > > > whether the
> > > > > > current price in the early, middle or mature trend?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Great guys like Jose, Roy, MG and many of them in the forum
> >pls
> > > > > offer some
> > > > > > pointers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> >_________________________________________________________________
> > > > > > Block pop-up ads with MSN Toolbar. http://toolbar.msn.com.my/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 8
> > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:31:31 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: santosh shanbhag <santubaba@xxxx>
> >Subject: SWING TRADING..............
> >
> >
> >Hello,
> >
> > Could anyone let me know the best setups for swing
trading,anyone who
> >has already dealt with this setup and found the results to be more
than
> >90%,i buy and hold stocks for not more than 15days,so based on this
> >criteria could some one suggest.
> >
> >
> >---------------------------------
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>
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 9
> > Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 07:36:52 +1200
> > From: "Roy Larsen" <rlarsen@xxxx>
> >Subject: Re: Trend Following
> >
> >Hi Tan Ming
> >
> >
> >MetaStock Tips & Tricks has included a number of third-party
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> >assessing the direction and strength of trends in various guest
articles.
> >
> >MG's suggestion of using regression slope is the essence of another
filter
> >discussed in the upcoming August issue (sorry guys, not due for
another
> >week yet).
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> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: tan ming
> >To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 10:00 PM
> >Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Trend Following
> >
> >
> >This post hope to starts a discussion on what are the available
methods or
> >indicators which can effectively used to determine whether current
price is
> >in a trend mode. Personally moving average is my main indicator to
dtermine
> >trend. However as many of you guys know, it suffer when the market is
> >starting going to a tradning range. Pls join in the discussion on the
> >following topic:
> >
> >1) What are the effective methods or indicators to determine
whether the
> >current price is in a trend mode.
> >
> >2) What are the effective methods or indicators inorder to tell
whether the
> >current price in the early, middle or mature trend?
> >
> >Great guys like Jose, Roy, MG and many of them in the forum pls
offer some
> >pointers.
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> >Message: 10
> > Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 05:16:38 +0800
> > From: "Tim" <prez@xxxx>
> >Subject: RE: Goal-post pattern
> >
> >Perhaps something like this.
> >
> >Ref(H,-2)=HHV(H,5) AND Ref(C,-2)>Ref(O,-2) AND
> >Ref(C,-1) < Ref(O,-1) {AND Ref(C,-1)<Ref(L,-2) }{Optional}
> >AND C>O {AND C>Ref(H,-1)}; {Optional}
> >
> >Ref(L,-2)=LLV(H,5) AND Ref(C,-2)<Ref(O,-2) AND
> >Ref(C,-1) > Ref(O,-1) {AND Ref(C,-1)>Ref(H,-2) }{Optional}
> >AND C<O {AND C<Ref(L,-1)}; {Optional}
> >
> >As I am not familiar with the requirements of this pattern's setup,
I have
> >included two optional elements for each setup.
> >If you include these they force the close of each bar to be either
greater
> >than or less than the previous bars high or low.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Tim.
> > _____
> >
> >From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >On Behalf Of rvalue1
> >Sent: Friday, 5 August 2005 09:02
> >To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Goal-post pattern
> >
> >Can someone do me the kind favor of posting the code for an up reversal
> >signal based on a goalpost pattern.. up-down-up please.. and also for
> >the down signal .. dn-up-dn..?
> >I means the American football goalpost pattern and not the soccer one,
> >although they are largely the reverse of each other..
> >
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> > Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 21:34:25 -0000
> > From: "robcpettit" <robcpettit@xxxx>
> >Subject: scrolling through charts
> >
> >Hi, Ive asked this question b4 with no response so I hope you dont
> >mind me asking again from a different angle as I find it strange that
> >this can not be done. Could somebody advise why this cant be done.
> >I open two charts one from 1 folder another from a different folder. I
> >start scrolling using the change charts button. (my two charts are
> >tiled). I have to do this on both charts to scroll through. Why can I
> >not link the charts so that both change together. I know you can do
> >this in a layout with the 'change all charts in layout' in optios. But
> >when I do this as a layout, I may set it up as two different charts,
> >but as soon as i scroll both charts in layout become the same chat.
> >Why? Finally why is it that when you display two charts and scroll
> >through the price data on one chart it cant do the same on the other
> >chart at the same time?
> >Regards Robert
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> >Message: 12
> > Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:05:04 +0800
> > From: "Tim" <prez@xxxx>
> >Subject: RE: Goal-post pattern
> >
> >There was a couple of small errors in the previously posted code,
so I have
> >since fixed the errors and tested it and found the following to
work quite
> >well.
> >Lng:=Ref(H,-2)=HHV(H,5) AND Ref(C,-2)>Ref(O,-2) AND
> >Ref(C,-1)<Ref(O,-1) AND C>O AND C>Ref(H,-1);
> >
> >Sht:=Ref(L,-2)=LLV(L,5) AND Ref(C,-2)<Ref(O,-2) AND
> >Ref(C,-1)>Ref(O,-1) AND C<O AND C<Ref(L,-1);
> >
> >Lng or Sht;
> >
> >Use this as an indicator or paste into the filter section of an
explorer
> >
> >Regards,
> >Tim
> > _____
> >
> >From: Tim [mailto:prez@x...]
> >Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2005 05:17
> >To: 'equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> >Subject: RE: [EquisMetaStock Group] Goal-post pattern
> >
> >Perhaps something like this.
> >
> >Ref(H,-2)=HHV(H,5) AND Ref(C,-2)>Ref(O,-2) AND
> >Ref(C,-1) < Ref(O,-1) {AND Ref(C,-1)<Ref(L,-2) }{Optional}
> >AND C>O {AND C>Ref(H,-1)}; {Optional}
> >
> >Ref(L,-2)=LLV(H,5) AND Ref(C,-2)<Ref(O,-2) AND
> >Ref(C,-1) > Ref(O,-1) {AND Ref(C,-1)>Ref(H,-2) }{Optional}
> >AND C<O {AND C<Ref(L,-1)}; {Optional}
> >
> >As I am not familiar with the requirements of this pattern's setup,
I have
> >included two optional elements for each setup.
> >If you include these they force the close of each bar to be either
greater
> >than or less than the previous bars high or low.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Tim.
> > _____
> >
> >From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >On Behalf Of rvalue1
> >Sent: Friday, 5 August 2005 09:02
> >To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Goal-post pattern
> >
> >Can someone do me the kind favor of posting the code for an up reversal
> >signal based on a goalpost pattern.. up-down-up please.. and also for
> >the down signal .. dn-up-dn..?
> >I means the American football goalpost pattern and not the soccer one,
> >although they are largely the reverse of each other..
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
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> >Message: 13
> > Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 01:10:05 -0000
> > From: "rvalue1" <rvalue1@xxxx>
> >Subject: Re: Goal-post pattern
> >
> >Thanks, Tim. I will try it this weekend..
> >--- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tim" <prez@xxxx> wrote:
> > > There was a couple of small errors in the previously posted code,
> >so I have
> > > since fixed the errors and tested it and found the following to
> >work quite
> > > well.
> > > Lng:=Ref(H,-2)=HHV(H,5) AND Ref(C,-2)>Ref(O,-2) AND
> > > Ref(C,-1)<Ref(O,-1) AND C>O AND C>Ref(H,-1);
> > >
> > > Sht:=Ref(L,-2)=LLV(L,5) AND Ref(C,-2)<Ref(O,-2) AND
> > > Ref(C,-1)>Ref(O,-1) AND C<O AND C<Ref(L,-1);
> > >
> > > Lng or Sht;
> > >
> > > Use this as an indicator or paste into the filter section of an
> >explorer
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tim
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: Tim [mailto:prez@x...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2005 05:17
> > > To: 'equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > Subject: RE: [EquisMetaStock Group] Goal-post pattern
> > >
> > > Perhaps something like this.
> > >
> > > Ref(H,-2)=HHV(H,5) AND Ref(C,-2)>Ref(O,-2) AND
> > > Ref(C,-1) < Ref(O,-1) {AND Ref(C,-1)<Ref(L,-2) }{Optional}
> > > AND C>O {AND C>Ref(H,-1)}; {Optional}
> > >
> > > Ref(L,-2)=LLV(H,5) AND Ref(C,-2)<Ref(O,-2) AND
> > > Ref(C,-1) > Ref(O,-1) {AND Ref(C,-1)>Ref(H,-2) }{Optional}
> > > AND C<O {AND C<Ref(L,-1)}; {Optional}
> > >
> > > As I am not familiar with the requirements of this pattern's setup,
> >I have
> > > included two optional elements for each setup.
> > > If you include these they force the close of each bar to be either
> >greater
> > > than or less than the previous bars high or low.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tim.
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > On Behalf Of rvalue1
> > > Sent: Friday, 5 August 2005 09:02
> > > To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Goal-post pattern
> > >
> > > Can someone do me the kind favor of posting the code for an up
> >reversal
> > > signal based on a goalpost pattern.. up-down-up please.. and also
> >for
> > > the down signal .. dn-up-dn..?
> > > I means the American football goalpost pattern and not the soccer
> >one,
> > > although they are largely the reverse of each other..
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
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> >Message: 14
> > Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 07:42:13 +0530
> > From: "Hitendra Vasudeo" <hitendra@xxxx>
> >Subject: RE: SWING TRADING..............
> >
> >You can Call Me -Hitendra Vasudeo
> >
> >
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> >On Behalf Of santosh shanbhag
> >Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 11:02 PM
> >To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] SWING TRADING..............
> >
> >
> >
> >Hello,
> >
> > Could anyone let me know the best setups for swing
trading,anyone who
> >has
> >already dealt with this setup and found the results to be more than
90%,i
> >buy and hold stocks for not more than 15days,so based on this criteria
> >could
> >some one suggest.
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> >Message: 15
> > Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 05:38:14 -0000
> > From: mgf_za_1999
> >Subject: Re: scrolling through charts
> >
> >The way I understand it, each chart is a separate entity, and its
> >behaviour is not linked to any other. A lot like having two
> >spreadsheets open - scrolling in one is not at all linked to the
> >other. But it would be a nice feature to 'link' them as you describe
> >and I think you can in fact link spreadsheets or documents like this.
> > Don't think it is possible in MS though.
> >
> >Regards
> >MG Ferreira
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> >--- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "robcpettit" <robcpettit@xxxx>
> >wrote:
> > > Hi, Ive asked this question b4 with no response so I hope you dont
> > > mind me asking again from a different angle as I find it strange
that
> > > this can not be done. Could somebody advise why this cant be done.
> > > I open two charts one from 1 folder another from a different
folder. I
> > > start scrolling using the change charts button. (my two charts are
> > > tiled). I have to do this on both charts to scroll through. Why
can I
> > > not link the charts so that both change together. I know you can do
> > > this in a layout with the 'change all charts in layout' in
optios. But
> > > when I do this as a layout, I may set it up as two different charts,
> > > but as soon as i scroll both charts in layout become the same chat.
> > > Why? Finally why is it that when you display two charts and scroll
> > > through the price data on one chart it cant do the same on the other
> > > chart at the same time?
> > > Regards Robert
> >
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