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Mike:
You are very sensitive.
> I just wonder, if you react with such pregnant arrogance to a simple
> product offering, how do you respond to a customer's needs?
I treat my clients the same way I treat genuine coding requests in the
usergroups: my reputation speaks for itself.
Mike, if you wish to be involved as a professional in this volatile industry,
you need to be prepared to accept constructive criticism and ignore any
other. Take note of your partner's excellent response to criticism and
learn from it.
jose '-)
--- In Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "mburgessx"
<mburgessx@xxxx> wrote:
> Jose:
>
> The complimentary comments related to respect for your work may be
> well placed, but for you as an individual they are not warranted. I
> would have thought that you would be capable of focusing on facts,
> not engaging in a display of bloated disdain:
>
> "Years developing a variable input DLL? Well, I can put you in touch
> with someone that can cut your development overheads dramatically."
>
> You are rude.
>
> If you wanted to work with us, fine. If not, fine.
>
> In the end, you can do with your opinion whatever is appropriate.
>
> I just wonder, if you react with such pregnant arrogance to a simple
> product offering, how do you respond to a customer's needs?
>
> Mike
>
> The Dynamic Market Lab, LLC
>
>
> --- In Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Jose Silva"
<josesilva22@xxxx> wrote:
>
>> And I assure you, if Roy and Jose could do what our products do:
>>
>> 1.) They would have already done it
>
>
> Brad, for your information, some of my trading tools include a very
> handy MetaStock DLL that accepts variable inputs in over 20 standard
> indicators. Several other variable-input MetaStock indicators can
> also be built from these basic variable input functions.
>
> Here is an example of the functions available in one of the MACDH
> Divergence kit's DLL:
>
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> MetaStock VarPeriod.dll
> =======================
> Copyright (c) The Nag Tools, 2001
>
>
> 22 in-built functions with variable period input
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> ExtFml("VarPeriod.VarAlert", Expression, Period)
> Alert function
>
> ExtFml("VarPeriod.VarCMF", Period)
> Chaikin Money Flow function
>
> ExtFml("VarPeriod.VarCCIE", Period)
> Commodity Chanel Index (Equis) function
>
> ExtFml("VarPeriod.VarCCI", Period)
> Commodity Chanel Index (Standard) function
>
> ExtFml("VarPeriod.VarGZLag2", DataArray, Period)
> Gaussian ZeroLag 2 function
>
> ExtFml("VarPeriod.VarHhvBars", DataArray, Period)
> Highest High Value Bars Ago function
>
> ExtFml("VarPeriod.VarHhv", DataArray, Period)
> Highest High Value function
>
> ExtFml("VarPeriod.VarLlvBars", DataArray, Period)
> Lowest Low Value Bars Ago function
>
> ExtFml("VarPeriod.VarLlv", DataArray, Period)
> Lowest Low Value function
>
> ExtFml("VarPeriod.VarMid", DataArray, Period)
> MidPoint function
>
> ExtFml("VarPeriod.VarMo", DataArray, Period)
> Momentum function
>
> ExtFml("VarPeriod.VarMov", DataArray, Period, Method)
> Moving Average function
> S - Simple
> W - Weighted
> E - Exponential
> TRI - Triangular
>
> ExtFml("VarPeriod.VarROC", DataArray, Period, Method)
> Rate Of Change function
> PER - Percent
> PNT - Points
>
> ExtFml("VarPeriod.VarRef", DataArray, Period)
> Reference function
>
> ExtFml("VarPeriod.VarRSI", DataArray, Period)
> RSI function
>
> ExtFml("VarPeriod.VarStdev", DataArray, Period)
> Standard Deviation function
>
> ExtFml("VarPeriod.VarStoD", Period, Slowing)
> Stochastic %D function
>
> ExtFml("VarPeriod.VarStoK", Period)
> Stochastic %K function
>
> ExtFml("VarPeriod.VarSum", DataArray, Period)
> Summation function
>
> ExtFml("VarPeriod.VarTRIX", DataArray, Period)
> TRIX function
>
> ExtFml("VarPeriod.VarVar", DataArray, Period)
> Variance function
>
> ExtFml("VarPeriod.VarWillR", Period)
> Williams' %R function
>
> ------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>> 2.) I would not have spent years developing them, and
>
> Years developing a variable input DLL?
> Well, I can put you in touch with someone that can cut your
> development overheads dramatically.
>
>
>> 3.) I would not be selling them, they would be.
>
> Not necessarily.
> For example, I only sell what I consider to be useful trading tools,
> rather than basic building blocks for trading tools.
>
> And I can't speak for Roy, but I understand that he has 100% of his
> time commited to MSTT, and he is probably reluctant to dilute his
> time and effort in other directions.
>
>
> As for the yearly royalty fee of $600 for the use a basic trading
> tool, I would have to completely agree with Teclogeo.
>
> Tools (of any kind) should be available at a one-off cost.
> Ongoing *services* of course require ongoing fees to pay for the
> service provider's continuing time & effort.
>
>
> jose '-)
> http://metastocktools.com/MACDH/MACDHdiverg.htm
>
>
>
> --- In Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "teclogeo" <teclogeo@xxxx>
> wrote:
> Brad,
>
>
> How's the take-up going?
>
>
> Looks like a really good package and it's great to see that someone
> is pushing Metastock forward in this direction. Your product seems to
> fill a big hole in the MSFL limitations.
>
>
> But the price. I'll just add my voice to let you know that what
> you're asking is unreasonable. It's not the amount, as I'm sure it's
> worth a one-off fee of $600. I would pay that. But every year? No
> way.sorry. You ARE effectively asking to become a partner in my
> business...justifying your price structure on the basis that I will make
> money with your indicators and you should therefore be entitled to a
> portion of my future revenue.
> I won't be held to ransom like that, not when I have a choice. Trading
> decisions I make are my responsibility, it's my money I'm risking and
> it should be 100% my reward. Products like yours are just tools I use -
> and I only pay up-front and once for a tool. I don't pay my computer
> manufacturer a subscription.that is also a tool of my trade. Purchases
> of tools-of-the-trade should come under the heading of "capital
> expense" on my accounts, not "ongoing expense".
>
>
> You think you are providing a service that justifies the ongoing
> expense? I am sure your support is excellent but the analogy with
> data services is wrong, for reasons already made. The good data
> services require man-hours on a daily basis to keep me happy. Your
> product, I would hope, will not. It's the same principle with economic
> newsletter subscriptions and my anti-virus protection updates.
>
>
> I'll be back in touch when you've had a re-think.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of bradulrich33
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 6:16 AM
> To: Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [Metastockusers] Re: New Adaptive Tools for Metastock
>
>
>
> --- In Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Andrew Tomlinson"
> <andrew_tomlinson@xxxx> wrote:
> Not quite a bargain at $600 per annum!!!
>
> Makes it clear what good value Roy and Jose's work is.
>
> Do Metastock users have a reputation for being rich and dumb,
> that someone tries something like this?
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
> > > And how is something Expensive automatically Worthless? If our
> > > product was cheap or free, would it be totally awesome???
> > >
> > > Did you bother to research our products at all, do you have
> > anything
> > > intelligent to say about them beyond the obvious? It is easy to cut
> > > and paste the prices, see:
> > >
> > > A full list of our prices can be found here:
> > > www.thedml.com/pages/order
> > >
> > > You seem to have formed a staunch opinion quite quickly, and yet
in
> > > so, so, little time. It it seems as though you were discouraging
> > > people from looking at the site and gathering their own
> > information.
> > > How else do we learn? It is you who is trying to pull the sheet
> > over
> > > their eyes, not me. I want them all to see. Form their own
opinion.
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Secondly, I think you mispoke: "trying something like this" doesn't
> > > require being rich or dumb. "Trying" the trial for two months is
> > > free; doesn't cost a thing. And you don't have to be dumb,
> > although
> > > you can be...we don't discriminate :)
> > >
> > > With the trial, you are locked into absolutely nothing, you receive
> > > nothing that you didn't ask for, and it can fully uninstalled, no
> > > problems...right back to where you started. I have recently
> > updated
> > > the trial download page to mention these important things...I
> > realize
> > > many people trick you into things with trials...
> > >
> > > As for Roy and Jose, they ARE worth their weight in gold, and I
> > > respect what they do. I can only hope the my company and its
users
> > > can have people as dedicated to education and service as those
two.
> > > If fact, it is our primary policy to offer and encourage education
> > to
> > > (and between) our users. I really like these guys, I do. So
much,
> > > In fact, that I am modelling our company after each of theirs: I
> > am
> > > offering quality products for sale, but I am counting on my
support
> > > and services to earn a reputation.
> > >
> > > And I assure you, if Roy and Jose could do what our products do:
> > >
> > > 1.) They would have already done it
> > > 2.) I would not have spent years developing them, and
> > > 3.) I would not be selling them, they would be.
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Ah, yes, and then there is the price::
> > >
> > > Professional tools are offered at premium prices. This is obvious
> > in
> > > many areas of trading software/services.
> > >
> > > For example, you can download data for free, or you can get
premium
> > > data for TWICE of what our indicators cost per month. Just for
> > DATA.
> > >
> > > As for the benefits:
> > >
> > > You have to understand what it is our products do that you
cannot
> > do
> > > already in Metastock. With ASI, (the adaptive indicators), this
> > > point is somewhat subtle, and not everyone gets it. If you have
> > been
> > > working inside the confined space that is the Metastock language,
> > > then you may not realize that there is another world of more
> > powerful
> > > indicators out there waiting to be built. We ourselves at the DML
> > do
> > > not even see the entire realm of possibilities. The indicators are
> > > not just end indicators, they are TOOLS that EXTEND THE
METASTOCK
> > > FORMULA LANGUAGE.
> > >
> > > As with any new tools, it will take time, and a growing user base,
> > to
> > > really find out what they are capable of. Some advanced users
know
> > > this already, and have been waiting years for a product that does
> > > what ours does. They are very excited, and can't believe
someone
> > > has
> > > finally done it. This is our main target audience.
> > >
> > > As for Ehlers' work, it speaks for itself. I can tell you as a
> > > mathematician and an engineer that the math makes sense and
is
> > > theoretically sound. What makes so many people not use his
stuff
> > is
> > > the fact that it is hard to implement. They say it is hard to
> > > understand, which I'm sure is true, but that is not the real
> > > reason
> > > that it is not used. What keeps people from using it is if it is
> > > hard to use..until now. I can also tell you that there are
> > > advancements and improvements to be made, that HAVE BEEN
MADE to
> > > Ehlers' stuff, beyond what is in his books. Our indicators let
> > > you
> > > logically make these advancements without being a
mathematician or
> > a
> > > professional programmer. I did the hard work when I laid these
all
> > > out and did the C++ programming, now they are easy-to-use and
> > > extensible.
> > >
> > > No doubt, are products are mainly geared towards professional
> > traders
> > > that can already see how to use our new tools to make better
> > > indicators. And thus the cost of our products is easily justified
> > to
> > > them. For the others, it will surely take some time to see the
> > > possibilities. Our growing knowledge base is intended to help
> > share
> > > this information that the cutting-edge users develop, and pass it
> > on
> > > down to the less advanced. We encourage you to contact us to
find
> > > out more about how our products can help you as a trader.
> > >
> > > We realize that the only reason that you would buy our products
is
> > if
> > > you thought they would help make you more money trading. We
KNOW
> > > that they can, because we have seen the difference between
them and
> > > the less effective ones: the 30 year old indicators that come with
> > > metastock, and worn out ones that have been written using its
> > limited
> > > formula language and old indicators.
> > >
> > > Our products are very professional, and thus, we charge a
> > > professional price. We offer top-notch products, support that is
> > > second-to-none, and more than anything, we encourage a
community of
> > > learning and improvement that will hopefully justify the cost of
> > our
> > > products.
> > >
> > > The only disadvantage we see is our prices, which are pretty
much
> > set
> > > (although we will be offering promotional offers up to 20% off
over
> > > the next few months).
> > >
> > > If you actual take the time to study our product and find any
> > > disadvantages OTHER THAN PRICE, we will be happy to hear
them, and
> > > hopefully, will be able to resolve them.
> > >
> > > And hey, most new add-ons you hear about are not only
expensive,
> > but
> > > they don't do anything. So we can't blame anyone who has
> > > dismissed our products as expensive products that take
advantage of
> > > suckers. We are not looking for suckers. Suckers won't get
what
> > our
> > > stuff does. We are confident that our products actually do
> > something
> > > dramatic. As we say, We've Given Metastock a BIG Upgrade! So
> > > please take the time to think about the possibilities.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Brad Ulrich
> > > Developer
> > > The Dynamic Market Lab, LLC
> > > www.thedml.com
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