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Re: [EquisMetaStock Group] Volatile markets



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Now, these are very, very wise words.  You'd better get that legendary
black sable fur, just in case, to avoid any problems.

I think that plug-in will be a great success.  Free dummy included
with every purchase.

Regards
MG Ferreira
TsaTsa EOD Programmer and trading model builder
http://www.ferra4models.com
http://fun.ferra4models.com 


--- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "TecloGeo" <teclogeo@xxxx> wrote:
> MG, I’d never pick a fight with anyone…but least of all with my
own young daughter. First off, I know what’s good for me - her
mother is Mongolian, and I can say without a shadow of doubt that the
blood of Ghengis runs through her veins! More importantly though,
she’s developed a remarkable knack of crying for attention just as
my favourite indicators start popping off, which was a bit of a
distraction until I realised that it might end up making my fortune.
“ Megan’s CryBaby Plug-in” has a nice, marketable, ring to it
don’t you think? 
> 
> I bet I can sell it too…
> 
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> From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mgf_za_1999
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 5:32 PM
> To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [EquisMetaStock Group] Volatile markets
> 
>  
> 
> Ah, there is nothing like family to balance market stresses with.
> 
> But, by reading it to your daughter, were you then picking a fight
> with her?  Having a 3 month old daughter myself, I'd be careful if I
> were you.....  I discussed the Heikin-Ashi posts with mine and as a
> result had a sleepless night.
> 
> I should have learned after the market-eye experience.....
> 
> Regards
> MG Ferreira
> TsaTsa EOD Programmer and trading model builder
> http://www.ferra4models.com
> http://fun.ferra4models.com 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "TecloGeo" <teclogeo@xxxx> wrote:
> > Wow! 
> > When I read that one aloud to my daughter she opened her mouth and
> her dummy fell out…so at least I have it on good authority
that you
> speak wisely! 
> > Unfortunately I can’t claim to follow it so well…but
I can tell
> you that, from what you say, my own personal â€"fractional order of
> integration” must definitely be less than 0.5…
> > 
> > ➢ Every nondegenerate distro lies in the maximum domain of
> attraction of an EVT distro
> > 
> > That's fighting talk where I come from!
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________________
> > From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mgf_za_1999
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:36 PM
> > To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Volatile markets
> > 
> > There is this school of thought, that the market has a volatility
> > without bound.  They get their theory from the stable distributions,
> > of which the central limit theorem is a special case.  There is this
> > thing called the alpha parameter.  If it is '2', the max, then you
> > have a stable distro with a finite variance, and the thing reduces to
> > the central limit theorem.  If alpha is less, then you have something
> > with infinite variance.  If alpha is less than one, then even the mean
> > is infinite (if I remember correctly).
> > 
> > Also, another school of thought, uses the correlogram to determine
> > something called the fractional order of integration.  If this order
> > is less than 0.5, then the response to shocks becomes infinte and the
> > system is inherently unstable.
> > 
> > These schoolds are the guys calling for higher margin as the market
> > basically is much more volatile - in their opinion - than what we
> > think and is too dangerous for the average person to participate in,
> > so we need high margins.  If any of these holds (alpha<2 or d<=0.50),
> > there is no way in which it (volatility) can be transformed away.
> > 
> > Anyhow, I think ATR works because it deals with extremes.  Yet another
> > school uses EVT (extreme value theory) to measure tails and fit
> > distros to the tails.  Every nondegenerate distro lies in the maximum
> > domain of attraction of an EVT distro (if I remember correctly) which
> > means in practise you can model the tail of almost any distro using an
> > EVT distro.
> > 
> > The way in which you fit an EVT distro is to first filter out all the
> > extreme values, say the largest and smallest values per week.  So you
> > reduce the time series from say 50 values (5 per week) to 10 values
> > (one per week).  Now you fit an EVT distro to this and use it to
> > predict say the next day extreme.  ATR uses the high and low of the
> > day, so I guess it relates quite a bit to EVT.  But you would not use
> > ATR when pricing options e.g.  Here you'll start with good ol' stdev,
> > maybe weight it as in an example in a previous post, maybe expand it
> > to a GARCH model as in another example or something like that.
> > 
> > Regards
> > MG Ferreira
> > TsaTsa EOD Programmer and trading model builder
> > http://www.ferra4models.com
> > http://fun.ferra4models.com 
> > 
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