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OK, you got me.  All that *central banking* experience I guess... 
Please, don't tell mom.  She's really moody since her parole got
cancelled.

By the way Phuc Minh, I think you pulled the wool terribly over the
interrogating officer's eyes with that name - either that or the
transcribing lady wrote down the wrong sentence.  Hey!  Put down that
pipe!  I thought you got rid of it a long time ago.  Wait 'till mama
hears about this.

Regards
MG Ferreira
TsaTsa EOD Programmer and trading model builder
http://www.ferra4models.com
http://fun.ferra4models.com 









--- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "TecloGeo" <teclogeo@xxxx> wrote:
> Well I figure that the loss of one metaphorical hand during the 3-5 year
> learning curve that was referred to recently was worth it. I can now
proudly
> say that I've gained enough experience to progress from "village
idiot" to
> "town dunce" level and, what's more, progress from moving averages to
> something a bit more sophis.ummm.oh dear, what happened to that
second foot
> I had?!
> 
>  
> 
> As for anonymity.no.2 on the list looks strangely familiar also? Got
> something to tell us MG.? And I'm sorry to hear you died in 2000
Jose. How
> does it feel? Well, you will go bandying your real name about in public.
> I've no sympathy I'm afraid!
> 
>  
> 
> I tell you in all seriousness though.privacy is the last refuge of the
> little guy, retain it whenever and wherever you can. 
> 
>  
> 
> Mind you, I'm not trying to sell anything, so I don't need to tell
anyone my
> real name is Phuc Minh 
> 
> (and that's pronounced Foook, OK?!!!)
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Jose Silva
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:29 PM
> To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: optimize--MG's question
> 
>  
> 
> 
> > Thanks Jose..if that really is your name?!
> 
> Anonymous poster #45387, I've had no reason to hide my identity for 
> the past seven years' posting on the Net, and still find no reason to 
> hide behind a pseudonym now, specially since they've moved me from the 
> #1 spot on the list:
> http://www.foplodge75.org/wanted.html
> 
> 
> > It did take me time to type all that with just the one hand though.
> > Man, that divergence indicator is sharp! 
> 
> Stick to your moving averages - trust me, it's safer for you.
> 
> 
> Jose Silva
> 
> 
> 
> --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "TecloGeo" <teclogeo@xxxx> 
> wrote:
> > Thanks Jose..if that really is your name?!
> > 
> > It did take me time to type all that with just the one hand though.
> > Man, that divergence indicator is sharp! 
> > 
> >   _____  
> > 
> > From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> > equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Jose Silva
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 7:31 PM
> > To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: optimize--MG's question
> >  
> > 
> > Well said - not bad for an anonymous poster.  ;)
> > 
> > I was told that instead of all that "a successful trader today needs 
> > sharp trading tools".
> > 
> > A successful trader needs both.  A trader with sharp tools and no 
> > skills will just cut their trading account to pieces.
> > 
> > It's the application of trading tools *and* skills, and not the
> > tools themselves that make the difference.  This is the main reason
> > I provide trading tools and not complete mechanical trading systems.
> > 
> > 
> > jose '-)
> > http://www.metastocktools.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "TecloGeo" <teclogeo@xxxx> 
> > wrote:
> > Super,
> > 
> > Interesting analogy you use with sports athletes of past eras not
> > being able to cut in the modern age. Here's my take on that for what 
> > it's worth.
> > 
> > Whatever situation you take, it has always been, and will always be,
> > that in order for a certain group of traders to make money then the
> > majority must lose. That's basic stuff and applies directly to the
> > althetic analogy - how many athletes do history remember out of all
> > those that have ever taken part? Not many.
> > 
> > I think that to say that "Babe Ruth and Jim Thorpe probably wouldn't 
> > have been much of a force in today's world" is actually probably
> > incorrect. Yes, there were different techiques, training and
> > technology in the old days. But what if.what if, we had a teleport
> > machine at our disposal and zapped those old guys forward to our day 
> > and zapped modern day heros like Johnny Wilkinson and Steve Redgrave 
> > back to their days? Sorry if you don't know who they are but I'm a
> > Limey and I have to give honourable mention to our own legends! 
> > 
> > If you compare apples with apples on a level playing field and
> > remove all the external influences on a participant, be they in the
> > sporting or trading arena, I think you will find that legends will
> > still be legends. Give Babe Ruth access to all the modern day
> > techniques, etc and I bet you he would still have been a hero.it's
> > just he would have whipped everyone's ass with even more skill !!
> > Take away Johnny Wilkinson's modern day training ground and he STILL 
> > would have drop-goaled the Aussies in the rugby World Cup final.!
> > Why? Because at any given time, the techniques available to one are
> > generally available to all.it's the application of those techniques
> > and skills that counts, not the details of the techniques
> > themselves. Getting one up on your current competitors is all that
> > matters.tomorrows competitors are not relevant.
> > 
> > It may be a bit pedantic of me to take issue with your simple
> > analogy, but it does actually re-inforce what you seem to suggest.
> > The real danger now is in the OVER-use of technology. What sets a
> > successful trader or sportsman apart from the crowd is mainly
> > comprised of self-disipline, guts, instinct, sheer determination and 
> > an unstoppable will to succeed.  These are all things that lie
> > within and can be found neither on a training ground nor a computer
> > screen, no matter how good the algorithm.
> > 
> > I got (politely) taken to task recently for voicing an opinion on a
> > strategy that I have found reasonably successful.one that involves
> > "traditional" methods of multi-time frame analysis, basic trend
> > recognition, indicator divergence and an appreciation of the overall 
> > macro-economic situation. I was told that instead of all that "a
> > successful trader today needs sharp trading tools". Well I disagree
> > with that statement.what a successful trader needs today is exactly
> > the same as what a successful trader has always needed - a sharp
> > mind, not sharp tools. You can give sharp tools to the village idiot 
> > and he will eventually cut his hand off! 
> > 
> > In summary.it seems to me that the "crowd" is doing exactly as you
> > say - they are moving to products like MS in the search for a holy
> > grail and ending up with indicator fascination/paralysis. Just like
> > they trusted their fund managers in the 80's and 90's, now they are
> > moving instead to trust that buy signal on the latest black box
> > plug-in they bought. Well rather than follow the crowd I would
> > rather stick with simple tools that I understand inside-out and
> > spend most of my time focussing on how I can use them the way they
> > were meant to be used.
> > 
> > So I think we agree with each other?!
> > 
> > PS, no responses from Aussies about the present day state of the
> > English rugby team please!!
> >
> >  _____  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   _____  
> 
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