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Yeah, I think I’m generally with you there Hani. I always remain cautious when taking any kind of advice, paid for or offered for free and will never use anything unless I totally understand what’s going on and have back-tested everything myself to ‘prove’ it works. That said, I try to always keep an open mind…it’s all too easy to get cynical about people who try to sell you things.

 

This may sound trite to some but I believe it can be a matter of psychology. Trading is generally a very lonely business. Most of us who do this full-time just sit alone in front of our computer with very little in the way of human interaction for most of the day. Monetary issues aside, I can fully appreciate why a successful trader might want to go the route of the seminar circuit…to meet people, share ideas and generally get back in with the human race again! There are people that will trade all their lives because they simply love it and would never consider doing anything else, but maybe these authors/lecturers have achieved their own financial targets and are now pursuing a more (for them) emotionally rewarding pastime…that of teaching. I can understand that motivation and I don’t begrudge them their bit of fun.

 

Of course there are plenty of charlatans out there…but it’s up to us to separate the wheat from the chaff. It’s our money they’re chasing after all.

 

Personally speaking, I’ve only ever been to one seminar and can’t see myself repeating the experience for a while. However, I reserve the right to lecture at one when I have perfected my trading system and made £200 million from it. Then I won’t give a monkey’s what any of you think about what I have to say anyway and I wouldn’t charge you for listening to me either. I would simply be using the experience to satisfy my own ego which, by that time, will have probably inflated to the size of a small planet. However, this wouldn’t necessarily mean that the attendees will walk away having learned nothing useful…

 

Let’s keep our minds open, eh?

 

 


From: Hani [mailto:elmagd2000@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 9:46 AM
To: Metastockusers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Metastockusers] Re: How to fix the Trailing Stop in the systems tester

 

> P.S This is a big industry.Many people make money and a good living out of
> it....They are brokers,newsletter writers,T.V. commentators,program and
> seminar sellers,etc.If they could make money trading,they would stop all
> this crap.The same happens in any profession.A good doctor operates.An
> unsuccessful doctor teaches younger doctors....Try to remember that,when
you
> buy the next program,book or seminar.

Dear AA,
Agree with most of your points but, I don't agree more with the point that
mentioned above. This is not absolute. Bill Williams and many other are
considered trading wizards. However, they are frequently release books that
cost them months of work beside their careers as traders. Furthermore, they
travel to give lectures at aprofessional exhibit (sometimes for free or for
pennies that they can gain in a trading day ). So I conclude, not all
supporting businesses are for less successful ones.
Best regards,
Hani :)

----- Original Message -----
From: "AA" <arnaouto@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Metastockusers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Metastockusers] Re: How to fix the Trailing Stop in the
systems tester


>
> If you want my opinion,keep it as simple as possible...We have all passed
> this point,buying books and seminars,searching for indicators,hoping that
if
> we just find another promising indicator or system,we'll become rich....
>
> The fact is that many things work,if you persistent and disciplined
> enough.The money management concept is the key to success.Keep your losses
> very small,let your winners run,use trailing stops and money will come....
>
> The problem nobody tells you about,consists of 2 parts:
> 1.ALL indicators are lagging the market....If you use plenty of
them,you'll
> have similtuneous controversial signals...It's very easy for anybody to
show
> you a chart that has great signals.I can show you other 5 charts where the
> same indicator whipsaws continuously.
> 2 All the patterns are time frame depended.....A triangle or a flag
forming
> in a 5-minute chart,will dissappear if you use a 10-min chart....Bill
> Williams tried to solve this problem,stating that patterns are fractal in
> nature,that is a pattern is part of a bigger one and at the same time
> includes smaller patterns of the same shape,but with poor results....
>
> Try to work with levels of price.They don't depend on a time frame and
they
> are REAL,they are the levels where the market reversed.The market has
> memory...and that is totally different from the false assumption that the
> future will resemble the past.An assumption on which all technical
analysis
> is based.
>
> I've tried all forms of reversal bars....Maybe one of the strongest
> tools...but when a setup based on a reversal bar is put in another time
> frame,the reversal bar has dissappeared......
>
> I hope that all these will help you.And don't ever think of buying a black
> box system.Most of them consist of very simple technical tools that you
> already have.......
>
> A.A.
>
> P.S This is a big industry.Many people make money and a good living out of
> it....They are brokers,newsletter writers,T.V. commentators,program and
> seminar sellers,etc.If they could make money trading,they would stop all
> this crap.The same happens in any profession.A good doctor operates.An
> unsuccessful doctor teaches younger doctors....Try to remember that,when
you
> buy the next program,book or seminar.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kathay1199" <futowiec@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <Metastockusers@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 1:37 PM
> Subject: [Metastockusers] Re: How to fix the Trailing Stop in the systems
> tester
>
>
> >
> >
> >> Has anyone any experience of WealthLab, now free with Fidelity?
> >
> > Yes, I have some. I 'm seriously considering to "change my horse" as
> > Metastock seems to stay far behind competition...
> >
> > You can download WealthLab and use it 30 days for free. They have
> > very helpfull forum, a tons of tips and houndreds of systems & new
> > indicators- all given on their website for free. Almost all data
> > formats are supported. What's great you can test all their systems by
> > running them directly on their website (and Activetrader Magazine
> > website as well).
> > The problem is a new language (chartscript) and logic you have to
> > learn. It's not easy for newbies and quite different from Metastock
> > language. But Welathlab has very good debugger and manual.
> > Another great advantage is money managment built-in support  (special
> > simuscripts where you can determine your betsize) as well as
> > possibilty of portfolio testing of a few markets or trading systems
> > at once in one simulation.
> >
> > I'm still learning it ... and the same as somebody mentioned before I
> > check idea of new system or indicator in old good Metastock 7,0 then
> > translate it into Wealthlab adding money management codes;
> >
> > There are 2 more advanced programs: Veritrader (developed by former
> > Turtle - Curtis Faith) and latest machine introduced by well known
> > Murray Ruggiero - TraderStudio. Both look promising , I 'm familar
> > with their features but haven't tested yet.
> >
> > regards
> > Kathay
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