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Chichungchoi,
Indicators are like stocks. You have to get to know one and know what the
formula and the concept behind it is. Once you know what the indicator is
indicating then you can look at the chart and determine if the indicator
is showing anythng worthwhile. Is there a one size fits all indicator?
No. If there was it'd soon be factored in by the market and it'll become
useless anyway. Like the name says, it's an "INDICATOR" not a predictor.
It only tells you something about the condition of the market currently
not where the prices are headed.
One other thing, "KISS."
As you study the charts over and over again and draw trendlines and
notice formations reflect it against your indicator, you'll become more
and more intuitive about the whole thing. That's when you become a
trader. You become your own indicator - ala Soros. This is also probably
the reason why you have to toil over trading for years. You read, you
study, you research and you explore until you come up with something that
talks to you. Yeah there are those that'll tell you that entry is
everything, others that'll say that it's about probabilities. This is all
true but is it true for you? That's the million dollar quetion. What may
work for one trader may not work for you. Why? Because at some point you
become discretionary. It's just human nature and since markets basically
reflect human nature, that is, fear and greed, it's only natural that it
is very difficult to fit either or both the trader and the market to a
mechanical method. That's the constant battle that goes on within. Do you
absolutely rigidly conform to the prescribed method found by computerized
research or do you put a little bit of experience behind the trade? In
the end it's up to the individual but I imagine even the best system
traders still use discretion. Markets constantly evolve and change and so
must the trader. Even if you are a very disciplined trader you still
constantly do research and tweak your approach or method. Otherwise, if
you stand still, when your approach goes out of cycle you'll give too
much away. That's why you'll have to read and read and research and
research just to keep up with the markets.
There is one constant that should always be your guide if you are a
techinical trader. That is the aforementioned "fear and greed." That has
been and always will be the one constant of ANY market. If you're a short
term trader that maybe your best friend. And even if you are a longer
term trder it'll give you better entry points. That's why Bollinger bands
and regression channels tend to show support and resistance as the
markets gyrates from one extreme to the other. So if you base your
research on that kind of thinking you may have better luck.
Lastly, have fun with the whole thing. It's a business but if it's not
fun then you'll be miserable because you'll lose money and time for a
good while and I imagine, unless your one of the gifted, a lot more than
you may expect. But if you toil through and manage to come out the other
end, you'll probably feel that is was all definitely worth it!
good luck!
Gus
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> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:02:18 -0000
> From: "chichungchoi" <chichungchoi@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Should I follow indicators?
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> There are too much indicators for trading. Could anyone give me any
> advise whether I should strictly follow one indicator to trade or
> determine the trend with a lot of indicators for confirmation on any
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> trading signals?
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> If I follow one indicator, I will get a clear boundary for entry and
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> exit. If I determine the trend with a lot of indicators, I wait most
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> of the time, and miss the entry and exit, because there is no clear
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> Does anyone have any suggestion?
> Thank you
> Eric
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> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:56:03 -0000
> From: "superfragalist" <jackolso@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Should I follow indicators?
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> Yeah, I have a suggestion. You should read something around a 100
> trading and systems development books, and then if you plow another
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> few thousand hours into understanding what you've read,
> experimenting
> and figuring out how to trade with what you've come up with, then
> you'll be close, really close.
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> There's nothing anyone on here is going to post that will help you
> more than the above mentioned paragraph.
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> If there was one good indicator--or trading method--we'd all be
> using
> it. We ain't. Indicators fit people and personalities. It's all in
> what you can use, and no one on here, or anywhere else, can define
> that for you.
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> Go to amazon buy every book they have on trading and sytems
> development and you'll be off to a relatively mild start, but
> generally in the right direction.
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> Read Van Tharp's Trade Your Way to Financial Freedom first. That
> will
> get rid of a lot of your misconceptions like entries are important.
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> Read the other 100 books next, and then read Van Tharp's again. By
> that time you might have a prayer of getting it.
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> If you want easy--go bowling!
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> Sorry, but them's the realities.
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> --- In Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "chichungchoi"
> <chichungchoi@xxxx> wrote:
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> > There are too much indicators for trading. Could anyone give me
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> > advise whether I should strictly follow one indicator to trade or
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> > determine the trend with a lot of indicators for confirmation on
> any
> > trading signals?
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> > If I follow one indicator, I will get a clear boundary for entry
> and
> > exit. If I determine the trend with a lot of indicators, I wait
> most
> > of the time, and miss the entry and exit, because there is no
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> > boundary.
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> > Does anyone have any suggestion?
> > Thank you
> > Eric
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> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 20:41:13 -0800 (PST)
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> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:31:01 -0800 (PST)
> From: Bill Kearney <bill_k35_2000@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: ***** My Picks For Monday 01/10/2005 *****
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> Time: 8:50 Am E.S.T. Remember that the Picks are a Watch List List
> of Stocks. By that I mean Only enter after the Trend is Confirmed.
> Again Wait to at Least : 10:00 AM, EST before entering any trades,
> this helps clear out any Market Makers that have been painting the
> Tape. Next As Always use Trailing Stop Loss Orders for added
> protection, since Day Trading & Swing Trading are RISKY. Use Your
> Level-2 Screen to Watch MM's & Order Flow especially pay attention
> to the Spread between the Bid & Asked Price. NOTE: Watch The Level-2
> Screen Carefully & Exit the Trade once profitable if the Tide Turns.
> & Stick with your Stop Loss if the Trade goes against you. *****
> Longs : CMCSA, PRT, JOE, PPC, GT, SBUX, ERICY, FON, SNUS, WIZD.ob
> /// ***** Swing Trades : KLAC, RFMD, ELBO, WWCA, EK, SIRI. ///
> ***** Shorts : GM, F, VZ, T. /// ***** Remember : To Exit at or
> prior to 2:00 Pm. This is Because 2:00 PM EST Tends to be Close to
> the High of the Day for Longs & the Low of The Day For
> Shorts. & the Reason I added Prior is So that You Know TO WATCH
> YOUR LEVEL-2 Screen & Exit if the Tide Shifts between Buyers &
> Sellers. The 10:00 & 2:00 Rule are like the Drivers Safety Rule,
> Hands on the Wheel at 10:00 & 2:00 For Maximum Safety. This applies
> to the Market as well. When operating your trades Do not Enter before
> 10:00 am & Exit BY 2:00 Pm. Now there are times once you are
> advanced you can break the 2:00 Pm Rule. But Not Now. ** NOTE : DAY
> TRADING & SWING ARE PRONE TO MORE RISK ! Remember INVESTING INVOLVES
> Risk Never Invest/Trade Any More Than You Can Afford to Lose. **
> Know your Financial Goals Decide if Day trading is right for a
> portion of your portfolio or not. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. Understand
> Your Risk Tolerance, Time Horizon for Financial Objectives.
> Understand the Tax Bracket you are in & the TAX Situation that you
> may have with Active Trading in a Non Qualified Account. ** PICKS
> Are For EXPERIENCED TRADERS ONLY. ** Picks are for Paper Trading :
> Entertainment Purposes. BOOKS On Level 2 Screen Reading : The
> Electronic Day Trader, Authors : Marc Friedfertig & George West. Mc
> Graw Hill Publisher. // How To Get Started in Electronic Day
> Trading. Author : David Nassar. Publisher: Mc Graw Hill. : // The
> NASDAQ Traders Tool Kit. Author : M. Rogan LaBIER. Publisher
> :Wiley . // Also Web Link : Tools-of-the Trade.com : All of the
> Books Listed are Highly Recommended Reading By Most Trading Sites,
> Next They are on Sale at Most on-line book stores for : $1.00 Each.
> Now Thats Cheap. Read them & Expand your Horizon. ***** Take Care
> & May You Have A Prosperous Day ! ***** ~ Bill ~ Link :
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> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:46:06 -0000
> From: "jim" <jimk_30045@xxxxxxxxx>
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> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:41:36 -0000
> From: "Senthil Murugan.S" <senthilmurugan_2000@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: 2 Decimal units..
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:57:40 -0000
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> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:08:07 -0700
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