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RE: [Metastockusers] I Search a speed downloader for Yahoo historical !



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There are plenty of quality 
issues with software that downloads from 
Yahoo including:
 
<SPAN 
class=765494513-06082004>1.    Significant inaccuracies 
for any stock exchange that trades in increments less than 1c.  This 
includes the Australian Stock Exchange (ASX), Singapore Exchange, some NASDAQ 
stocks and most OTCBB & Pink Sheet stocks.  This happens because 
Yahoo's data is rounded to the nearest cent.  For example, there are 14000 
listed instruments on the ASX.  Over 8000 of them are currently trading 
below 20c which means they move in either 0.5 or 0.1c increments.  Since 
Yahoo only prices in cents this introduce VERY SIGNIFICANT innacuracies.  - 
eg. a 2.6c shown as 3c represents a 15% error).  
 
<SPAN 
class=765494513-06082004>2.    Normal dividends are 
adjusted by subtracting all historical data by the dividend amount.  
Exchanges such as the ASX do not adjust price data for standard dividends.  
By diluting it the way they do, any technical analysis or backtesting no longer 
shows a correct % return, nor does it show a critical technical levels such as 
support and resistance.
 
<SPAN 
class=765494513-06082004>3.    No sector information - 
critical if you want to perform sector-based analysis.
 
<SPAN 
class=765494513-06082004>4.    Significant number of 
missing stock splits and other capital adjustments.
 

<SPAN 
class=765494513-06082004>5.    No delisted history - any 
system testing you do based on Yahoo data is subject to population bias.  
ie you can only test on the stocks that are currently 
listed.
 
6.    There is no 
guarantee that Yahoo will continue to supply data, especially to automated 
download programs.  In Yahoo's Terms of Service, they have a clause which 
says "You agree not to reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, trade, resell or 
exploit for any commercial purposes, any portion of the Service (including your 
Yahoo! I.D.), use of the Service, or access to the Service.".  Companies 
that produce Yahoo downloaders are effectively exploiting the Yahoo service and 
are therefore in breach of the Yahoo Terms of Service and Yahoo may shut down 
these types of automated Yahoo downloading programs very easily.
 
So, whilst the Yahoo data is free to 
obtain from the Yahoo site, you need to determine what you really need from the 
data.  If you're every likely to want to view historical charts (eg for 
system development / backtesting / historical interest) then the old adage "you 
get what you pay for" certainly applies here.
 
The best analogy I can use for data 
feeds is they are like a game of Chinese Whispers.  <A 
href=""><FONT face=Arial 
size=2>http://www.chinesewhispers.com/chinesewhispers.php<FONT 
face=Arial size=2>  In the case of programs that extract data from 
Yahoo, the exchange sends data to Reuters.  Reuters interpret the data, put 
it into their databases, then take an extract of the data and send it to 
Yahoo.  Yahoo interprets the data, puts it into their database, then 
extracts it onto the Yahoo Finance web site.  Then the downloading program 
obtains data from the Yahoo site, interprets it, and puts it onto the user's 
PC.  If at any step of the above process, the interpretation is slightly 
incorrect then you have a discrepancy between actual events on the market and 
data you receive.   This is clearly the case with <SPAN 
class=765494513-06082004>Yahoo downloader products out 
there.
<SPAN 
class=765494513-06082004> 
Anyway, 
please understand what you are receiving with these products and assess whether 
these issues affect your trading system development, analysis or 
interpretation.
<SPAN 
class=765494513-06082004><SPAN 
class=765494513-06082004> 

Best regards,
Richard Dale.
Norgate Investor Services- Premium 
quality Stock, Futures and Foreign Exchange Data for  markets in 
Australia, Asia, Canada, Europe, UK & USA -<A 
title=http://www.premiumdata.net/ href=""><FONT 
face=Arial size=2>www.premiumdata.net 
 


From: MJ Jossart 
[mailto:mj008867@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, 6 August 2004 7:36 
PMTo: Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re: 
[Metastockusers] I Search a speed downloader for Yahoo historical 
!

I asked the same kind of question in the 
EquisMetastock Yahaoo group. I guess this would no problem if the 
Equis Downloader can support multiple configurations, ... is it so 
?
 
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  >From: 
  David 
  Linton 
  To: <A 
  title=Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  href="">Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  
  Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:08 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Metastockusers] I Search a 
  speed downloader for Yahoo historical !
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  color=#0000ff size=2>
  Would I have problems continuing with the Reuters 
  feed for stocks (to ensure data accuracy, splits, new symbols, etc) but using 
  the Hyper Trader Smart Downloader for free Yahoo indices and futures 
  data?
  Thanks for your advice.
  David







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