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[EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Huge System Test Profits



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It always amazes me to see the extent that some of us will go to 
justify non-tradeable systems.  I guess it's either a total lack of 
basic understanding of the markets, or some kind of paper-hobby for 
them.

For the rest of us, I can tell you that you don't need DPO, 
MetaStock's "Maximum Profit System", or even a price chart to make 
huge theoretical profits:  a crystal ball will do the same job. ;)
http://www.imagi-nation.com/moonstruck/question.html

jose '-)


--- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, grizz003 <no_reply@xxxx> wrote:
> 
> The Nay Sayers who argue that it won't work because "Future Data" is 
> required are correct, of course, but also way off base. I think the 
> Naysayers should instead be asking, "WHY IS IT SO LUCRATIVE WITH OLD 
> HISTORICAL DATA" In actual fact, this profit test runs from the left 
> side of the chart where OLD HISTORICAL data begins showing 
> spectacular profits almost immediately. There is simply NO future 
> data to be found at the left end of the chart. Right? Of course ! ! 
> That "Future Data" argument does not apply until we get to the right 
> side of the chart. The formula just can't be used to make real money 
> because a signal for today won't come for another 10 days. Yet this 
> lucrative formula cannot be dismissed. Why does it work so well with 
> old historical data?????? And just HOW profitable? 125 stcks picked 
> at random had 125 profits, and NO losers. Some profits ran $1,000 
> into $225,000 in just a few years. Only the Metastock "Maximum 
Profit 
> System" provides equal or greater profits.   
> 
> I was always really pissed off at Equis for keeping their "Maximum 
> Profit System" a secret. We know it can't be used to make real 
money, 
> so why keep it a secret???  Can't we can all learn at least 
something 
> from every formula we look at? Shame on Equis for hiding their 
> formula.  
> 
> Now to answer your own question. The "Grail" formula is nothing more 
> than the  guts from the DPO(periods) formula which is the Detrended 
> Price Oscillator. 
> 
> Put this into your system testor:
> ENTER LONG:
>   DPO(20)< 0 AND Cross(DPO(25),Mov(DPO(25),3,S))
> CLOSE LONG:
>   DPO(20) > 0 AND Cross(Mov(DPO(25),3,S),DPO(25))
> 
> You will see the same stunning profits on OLD historical data which 
> has nothing to do with future data ( until we hit the right side of 
> the chart ). 
> 
> To see why this is so amazingly profitable, make a custom indicator:
>   Title:  DETREND WITH TRIGGER
>           DPO(20);
>           mov(dpo,3,s);
>           0; {centerline}
> With this custom formula displayed on the screen, we can better see 
> WHY it works.... Now the goal for this astute group of traders is to 
> find out why it works and then modify it to work better. And I think 
> the KEY is in properly defining and using the CYCLE of the 
underlying 
> stock. Clearly detrend has an EXCELLENT grip on the stock cycle.
> 
> The journey of 1,000 miles consists of 1 little step at a time. 
> Detrend is a great 1st step which proves that at least something is 
> consistently profitable, even if it is flawed. Consider that several 
> things equal to the same thing are equal to each other.
> 
> To answer another question, I'm sure that Detrend can be just as 
> profitable or even MORE profitable than the Equis "Maximum Profit 
> System" by tweaking the DPO periods. 
> 
> Grizz
> 
> --- In equismetastock@xxxx, "robert@xxxx" <robert@xxxx> wrote:
> > praktikus:
> > 
> > Could you give some detail on the adaptive moving average
> > that you are using?  Did you write some Metastock code for
> > it?  Would you mind sharing it?
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > Bob
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: praktikus_ms mluescher@xxxx
> > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:32:52 -0000
> > To: equismetastock@xxxx
> > Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Huge System Test Profits
> > 
> > 
> > Hi grizz 
> > 
> > did you compare your system with the "MAXIMUM PROFIT" System that 
> > came with MS? Guess the profits would even increase ... 
> > 
> > Honestly said wouldn't it be perfect for all of us to know exactly 
> > where that the price of a stock (option, future, name what you 
want 
> > to) is in a month, a week, a day or even by the end of the day. 
> Sure 
> > thing we all would be much better in our trading. Unfortunately we 
> > all can't see what will happen in the future. For tjis reason any 
> > system using Ref( , plus value) will not work out in reality.
> > 
> > How can you say that none of your tests worked with a positive 
> > result? If this was true, none of the traders would be around by 
> now. 
> > For my own small piece of fortune I trade a moving average System 
> as 
> > explained by Perry Kaufman in "Smarter Trading" (the adaptive 
> moving 
> > average) with European bonds (comming from Europe so please excuse 
> my 
> > typing) and it works out pretty well. Maybe you share some of your 
> > thoughts so we can improve the thing for better?
> > 
> > Greets, praktikus
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > --- In equismetastock@xxxx, grizz003 <no_reply@xxxx> wrote:
> > > You are right, of course. But that is not the point of this 
> system 
> > > test.  The point of this test is this: It is extremely 
profitable 
> > as 
> > > a system test when using REAL data that already exists in the 
> > array. 
> > > It's moving average is shifted left to match the stock's cycle.  
> > Why 
> > > is it so fantastically profitable using REAL data? And even more 
> > > important, why is everything else so consistently UNprofitable 
> > using 
> > > REAL data in the array? 
> > > 
> > > Why is this so fantastically profitable?? In my opinion, because 
> it 
> > > is based on the REAL cycle of the stock under test. Why is 
> nothing 
> > > else profitable? Because nearly everything else is based on 
> cycles 
> > > that are LATE or do not exist.   
> > > 
> > > So we can all agree that this system test is less than perfect, 
> and 
> > > it cannot be used as is for real money trading. The value here 
is 
> > to 
> > > show that at least SOMETHING can produce spectacular profits on 
> > real 
> > > data. It is perhaps the best starting point to investigate why 
it 
> > > makes money, and what can be done to fix it's problem. A 
> profitable 
> > > approach can lead to better profitable approaches.    
> > > 
> > > Grizz
> > > 
> > > --- In equismetastock@xxxx, "praktikus_ms" <mluescher@xxxx> 
wrote:
> > > > I see just one little thing to cause some worries: the Ref() - 
> > > > function used looks in to the future (dd1 = 20 --> 20/2+1=11 -
-
> > 
> > > this 
> > > > means that you look 11 days in to the future from today - what 
> is 
> > > > impossible to me as far as I know ;-) ). For this reason you 
> > > wouldn't 
> > > > be able to trade this system.
> > > >  
> > > > praktikus
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In equismetastock@xxxx, grizz003 <no_reply@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Can anyone beat the fantastic system test profits generated 
> > from 
> > > > > these formulas? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Enter Long:
> > > > > ==================
> > > > > dd1:=20;dd2:=25;
> > > > > grail1:= C-Ref(Mov(C,dd1,S),dd1/2+1);
> > > > > grail2:= C-Ref(Mov(C,dd2,S),dd2/2+1);
> > > > > grail1 < 0 AND Cross(grail2,Mov(grail2,3,S))
> > > > > 
> > > > > Close Long:
> > > > > ==================
> > > > > dd1:=20;dd2:=25;
> > > > > grail1:= C-Ref(Mov(C,dd1,S),dd1/2+1);
> > > > > grail2:= C-Ref(Mov(C,dd2,S),dd2/2+1);
> > > > > grail1 > 0 AND Cross(Mov(grail2,3,S),grail2)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Set System test for Longs Only. No stops. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Grizz
> > 
> > 
> > 
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