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If I can weigh in again here. Does all the
quantifying of trading stocks really pay off?
I compare it to analyzing a plume of smoke and
saying " well if this happens then I will do this and if that doesn't work I
will bail out here. The hardest part of this ( and maybe the easiest to a person
smarter than me) is to explain why you cant quantify something that is basically
random. Now don't get me wrong I didn't say you cant use TA. I just don't
believe that you can use the systems in MS. All this code and crap is
just "something to aspire to" all the while the information is right in
front of you if you can see it. So if you don't need the crap built in
than don't waste your time reading the manual!
Regards Martin B
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Ariel Devulsky
To: <A
title=Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="">Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: November 22, 2003 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Metastockusers] Re: Group
benefits and Whining
Why not send the rules list or create rules and
send to new menbers?
Read The Fuckinī
Manual!
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manohohman
To: <A
title=Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="">Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 3:40
PM
Subject: [Metastockusers] Re: Group
benefits and Whining
Kevin, I agree completely with Martin's post. On this
site and the other Metastock site there are too many people who won't
bother to look in the manual or use the help screen and it's not because
they don't think to do it, they just don't want to "think"
period.In addition, a lot of people think everything should be
"free" and if it's not, they'll try to find some place to steal it from.
These people want to be "traders". If you're willing to lose your
capital account but spend nothing on your education, you're not a
trader, you're a moron. I post on this and the other site
constantly. I get a lot of email wanting questions answered, or my
entire trading system, or help learning to trade, or emails that are
filled with general insults. They all want "free" help, but the help
isn't free. It costs me a lot of time and my time is valuable. Ninety
percent of the people who are asking me for stuff don't treat my time
like it's valuable. In fact, if I tell them in a polite way that I can't
help them learn to trade, or I'm not going to give away my systems
unless they have something to share, I usually get a terse response
implying something nasty about my character. Many of the emails
I receive act as if they have a right to answers because this is a MS
support group. That's BS. Kevin, you are right, no one has to answer any
body's question. I've made the mistake of answering some that I should
have skipped, and I wound up paying for it. I would appreciate
it if you would do what I've been doing. Start posting all kinds of
references, indicator code, systems code, answering people's programming
problems, etc. and then you'll get to see what I've been seeing
everyday, and you won't like it. Martin may not have been eloquent,
but he was right. Newbie's get pissed off when I, or someone else, tell
them to read the manual or use the help screen. They fire back a nasty
email saying they tried to read the manual but what they want to know is
not in there. Huffy, huffy, huffy. In addition to my career, I spent 30
years as a college professor at 4 different universities. In the last
ten years, I've seen the same thing. Students don't want to bother
reading anything, or researching to find their own answers. I'm suppose
to tell them everything they need to know, and I should never ask them a
question on an exam I didn't tell them the answer too! Well here's an
answer. Get off your lazy ass, put your brain in gear, or learn to say
"Would you like that supersized," sir?I wonder how these people
think I learned to program, or where all the references I post come
from. I guess I just woke up with them on my pillow. I worked 17 hours
yesterday. Six hours trading, and eleven hours testing equations I found
in reference books. In a few days I'll get tons of requests wanting me
to tell them what I found so they don't have to spend 11 hours
themselves. Some of what I learned I might share, and some of it I
won't. Whatever I choose to share is a gift. Sure there
are some great people on here, and on the other board. I correspond with
some of them. We exchange ideas, code and systems. WE
EXCHANGE!Everytime I've asked anyone on here to share their
systems or code, even if it isn't good, they decline. Surprise,
surprise, surprise. Their work is too important, or secret, to share.
I've done a number of postings lately trying to elevate the amount
of discussion, references, sharing, and exchanging that goes on on this
board, and the other one, so the board is not merely a forum for
people who can't read. There has been a slight increase in the
amount of sharing but it's not nearly where it should be. I'll
keep posting as long as I feel I have the time and energy, but I'm also
going to speak my mind about some of the garbage that goes on. It mostly
falls on deaf years I know, but that's okay because I've given away
enough that once in-a-while I get to
whine.JO--- In
Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Kevin <kevin_barry@xxxx>
wrote:> Hello Martin,> > I think that your posting is a
little unfair. I am not sure if you are > referring to any group
members in particular but I must say that no > postings on this forum
in recent times have evoked anything close to a > similar
reaction in me. Sure, there are often questions posted that could
> be answered by looking in the respective manual but, in my
experience, not > everybody automatically thinks of doing that.
Indeed, the apparently > obvious questions are sometimes quite
thought-provoking and, personally > speaking, I have got answers
here to questions that I would never even have > thought of
asking.> > There is no obligation to respond to any posting
and the nature of the post > is more often than not pretty
obvious immediately. So, if it is going to be > an irritation to
you, why not just delete it immediately? What impresses me > are
the regular contributors who are quick to respond to pleas for help,
> however simple or stupid, and are extremely generous with their
knowledge > and experience. Without the questions, the rest of us
might never get to > hear these guys speak.> > I
also get the impression that you are a little contemptuous of people who
> seem to be asking for something for nothing. Personally, I am in
complete > agreement with what I think that you are saying, i.e.
if one uses tools in > order to make money then those tools
should be paid for. However, you may > not realise that, in
addition to people who trade professionally or > part-time, there are
many people who are attracted to the idea of trading > and enjoy
associating with the trading community, hobby-traders if you >
like, who do not actually trade. There is a chap who attends my
investment > club meetings who has an in-depth knowledge of the
market and is an expert > in several trading techniques. He
occasionally lectures on various subjects > and he is actually
pretty good at it. He has never placed a trade in his > life. Do
I begrudge him collecting a bit of free software, downloading free
> end-of-day prices and playing around with them in his spare time?
No. As > far as I can see, people like him are doing none of us
any harm whatsoever.> > A forum such as this needs lots of
input at all levels in order to stay > alive. I sincerely hope
that nobody is ever reluctant to post because they > think that
their contribution may not be worthy.> > Viva la
difference.> > Regards,> Kevin> > At
12:29 22/11/2003 +0000, you wrote:> >> >Hi
folks,> >> >in my opinion to share is just fair.
Everyone that is a member of> >this group should try to contribute
to the benefits of the whole> >group, not just ask (simple and
stupid stuff) and take. This doen't> >not mean that a newbie
shouldn't post his or her questions. But what> >about first
trying to solve the problem by yourself and show the> >group the
results of this effort and then ask the question.> >>
>But now FREE - for all of you not wanting to share and just
begging> >for 'free stuff':> >> >John Slauson
from Adaptick is giving away for free> >> >Adaptick
Trend Index> >Adaptick Pivot Volume indicator> >Adaptick
Volume Acceleration Index> >17-page Adobe PDF Manual for reference
and intepretation> >> ><A
href="">http://www.adaptick.com/3-pack/index.html>
>> >pretty useful and - did I mention it - free (you dont have
to> >contribute ;-)!> >> >Martin>
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