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Read The Fuckinī
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To: <A
title=Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 3:40
PM
Subject: [Metastockusers] Re: Group
benefits and Whining
Kevin, I agree completely with Martin's post. On this site
and the other Metastock site there are too many people who won't bother to
look in the manual or use the help screen and it's not because they
don't think to do it, they just don't want to "think" period.In
addition, a lot of people think everything should be "free" and if it's
not, they'll try to find some place to steal it from. These people want to
be "traders". If you're willing to lose your capital account but spend
nothing on your education, you're not a trader, you're a moron. I
post on this and the other site constantly. I get a lot of email wanting
questions answered, or my entire trading system, or help learning to
trade, or emails that are filled with general insults. They all want
"free" help, but the help isn't free. It costs me a lot of time and my
time is valuable. Ninety percent of the people who are asking me for stuff
don't treat my time like it's valuable. In fact, if I tell them in a
polite way that I can't help them learn to trade, or I'm not going to give
away my systems unless they have something to share, I usually get a terse
response implying something nasty about my character. Many of the
emails I receive act as if they have a right to answers because this is a
MS support group. That's BS. Kevin, you are right, no one has to answer
any body's question. I've made the mistake of answering some that I should
have skipped, and I wound up paying for it. I would appreciate it
if you would do what I've been doing. Start posting all kinds of
references, indicator code, systems code, answering people's programming
problems, etc. and then you'll get to see what I've been seeing everyday,
and you won't like it. Martin may not have been eloquent, but he was
right. Newbie's get pissed off when I, or someone else, tell them to read
the manual or use the help screen. They fire back a nasty email saying
they tried to read the manual but what they want to know is not in there.
Huffy, huffy, huffy. In addition to my career, I spent 30 years as a
college professor at 4 different universities. In the last ten years, I've
seen the same thing. Students don't want to bother reading anything,
or researching to find their own answers. I'm suppose to tell them
everything they need to know, and I should never ask them a question
on an exam I didn't tell them the answer too! Well here's an answer.
Get off your lazy ass, put your brain in gear, or learn to say "Would
you like that supersized," sir?I wonder how these people think I
learned to program, or where all the references I post come from. I guess
I just woke up with them on my pillow. I worked 17 hours yesterday. Six
hours trading, and eleven hours testing equations I found in reference
books. In a few days I'll get tons of requests wanting me to tell them
what I found so they don't have to spend 11 hours themselves. Some of what
I learned I might share, and some of it I won't. Whatever I choose to
share is a gift. Sure there are some great people on here,
and on the other board. I correspond with some of them. We exchange ideas,
code and systems. WE EXCHANGE!Everytime I've asked anyone on here
to share their systems or code, even if it isn't good, they decline.
Surprise, surprise, surprise. Their work is too important, or secret, to
share. I've done a number of postings lately trying to elevate the
amount of discussion, references, sharing, and exchanging that goes on on
this board, and the other one, so the board is not merely a forum for
people who can't read. There has been a slight increase in the
amount of sharing but it's not nearly where it should be. I'll
keep posting as long as I feel I have the time and energy, but I'm also
going to speak my mind about some of the garbage that goes on. It mostly
falls on deaf years I know, but that's okay because I've given away enough
that once in-a-while I get to
whine.JO--- In
Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Kevin <kevin_barry@xxxx> wrote:>
Hello Martin,> > I think that your posting is a little unfair. I
am not sure if you are > referring to any group members in
particular but I must say that no > postings on this forum in recent
times have evoked anything close to a > similar reaction in me.
Sure, there are often questions posted that could > be answered by
looking in the respective manual but, in my experience, not >
everybody automatically thinks of doing that. Indeed, the apparently
> obvious questions are sometimes quite thought-provoking and,
personally > speaking, I have got answers here to questions that I
would never even have > thought of asking.> > There
is no obligation to respond to any posting and the nature of the post
> is more often than not pretty obvious immediately. So, if it is
going to be > an irritation to you, why not just delete it
immediately? What impresses me > are the regular contributors who
are quick to respond to pleas for help, > however simple or stupid,
and are extremely generous with their knowledge > and experience.
Without the questions, the rest of us might never get to > hear
these guys speak.> > I also get the impression that you are a
little contemptuous of people who > seem to be asking for something
for nothing. Personally, I am in complete > agreement with what I
think that you are saying, i.e. if one uses tools in > order to
make money then those tools should be paid for. However, you may >
not realise that, in addition to people who trade professionally or >
part-time, there are many people who are attracted to the idea of trading
> and enjoy associating with the trading community, hobby-traders if
you > like, who do not actually trade. There is a chap who attends
my investment > club meetings who has an in-depth knowledge of the
market and is an expert > in several trading techniques. He
occasionally lectures on various subjects > and he is actually
pretty good at it. He has never placed a trade in his > life. Do I
begrudge him collecting a bit of free software, downloading free >
end-of-day prices and playing around with them in his spare time? No. As
> far as I can see, people like him are doing none of us any harm
whatsoever.> > A forum such as this needs lots of input at
all levels in order to stay > alive. I sincerely hope that nobody
is ever reluctant to post because they > think that their
contribution may not be worthy.> > Viva la difference.>
> Regards,> Kevin> > At 12:29 22/11/2003 +0000,
you wrote:> >> >Hi folks,> >> >in my
opinion to share is just fair. Everyone that is a member of> >this
group should try to contribute to the benefits of the whole> >group,
not just ask (simple and stupid stuff) and take. This doen't> >not
mean that a newbie shouldn't post his or her questions. But what>
>about first trying to solve the problem by yourself and show the>
>group the results of this effort and then ask the question.>
>> >But now FREE - for all of you not wanting to share and just
begging> >for 'free stuff':> >> >John Slauson
from Adaptick is giving away for free> >> >Adaptick Trend
Index> >Adaptick Pivot Volume indicator> >Adaptick Volume
Acceleration Index> >17-page Adobe PDF Manual for reference and
intepretation> >> ><A
href="">http://www.adaptick.com/3-pack/index.html>
>> >pretty useful and - did I mention it - free (you dont have
to> >contribute ;-)!> >> >Martin>
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