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Hello Lionel,
No I did not find it arcane and difficult to read.
The book is written to support mr. Krausz's multiple timeframe
trading-software: "The Fibonacci Trader". So one should read this book in
combination with the software.
>From Gann's five courses he highlights just one method called "The
Mechanical Method and Trend Indicator for Trading Grains", originaly
written in 1933.
Than Krausz describes the difficulties he ran into programming this method
into his Fib. Trader software.
For further info on Krauzs's book go here: http://www.fibonaccitrader.com.
and than in the column on the left side under Information click on the
third red dot.
Or go directly: http://www.fibonaccitrader.com./book/add.htm
Rgds.
Frans
At 13:07 22-11-00 -0600, you wrote:
>Frans:
>This is interesting information. If Krausz' book is mostly a repetition of
>Gann's notes, isn't it likely to be as arcane and difficult as most books by
>or about Gann?
>Lionel Issen
>lissen@xxxxxxxxx
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Frans Derksen" <fjderksen@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 11:28 AM
>Subject: Re: Market Gurus (William Gann)
>
>
>>
>> Ron, Joe, Lionel et all,
>>
>> In his book W.D. Gann Treasure Discovered, Robert Krausz tells this: In
>the
>> 1950's Gann charged US$ 5000.= for his trading courses.(today that would
>be
>> something like US$ 50,000.=) A guy named Joe Rondinone actually bought
>this
>> course in 1955 and about ten years ago Krausz got this original course as
>a
>> gift from Joe. As Krausz stated he paid a symbolic dollar. In his book
>> Krausz shows some copied pages of this trading-course including
>handwritten
>> notes by the master himself in purple ink.
>> The entire treasure consisted of five courses and two unfinished pages,all
>> typed on W.D.Gann's letterhead and all in their original binding.
>>
>> With his kind of humor Krausz lets us know that in those days one could
>buy
>> a three bedroom house for about $5000.= So you had to be pretty serious
>> about your trading to pay that amount of money.....
>>
>> Rgds.
>> Frans
>>
>> >Ron:
>> >
>> >A long time ago I read, and it was mentioned on this listserver, that
>Gann's
>> >brokers went bankrupt and left him broke. Other speculators made money
>and
>> >could show it. Jesse Livermore made money and put much of it into trust
>> >funds for his wife and daughter (he committed suicide around 1937). My
>> >feeling is that if Gann was as good as he was reputed to be, other
>wealthy
>> >people would have bankrolled him after his brokers failed. There is a
>> >possibility that while he understood the market, he may not have had the
>> >decision making ability to make money at it.
>> >
>> >The stories I read about his son were that he had a relatively small job
>in
>> >the investment business and only used fundamental analysis. Perhaps his
>> >father mistreated him and wouldn't teach him his methods.
>> >
>> >
>> >Lionel Issen
>> >lissen@xxxxxxxxx
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Ron Scott" <ron@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 12:58 AM
>> >Subject: RE: Market Gurus (William Gann)
>> >
>> >
>> >> Lionel-
>> >>
>> >> No, I have not heard of Gann's Secret. Is is by Krauze or originally by
>> >> Gann? I only have Gann's "How To Make Profits Trading Commodities"
>book.
>> >You
>> >> might have to try a used book dealer, unless it might be at one of the
>> >> trading book places new. I have heard the story about Gann's wife
>selling
>> >> his materials to Lambert. On page of 139 of Louis Borsellino's book,
>he
>> >> claims to have invested in original rights of the Gann's charts and
>> >> overlays. I have no idea if he is referring to the same materials
>> >supposedly
>> >> sold to Lambert. But I also heard Lambert died.
>> >>
>> >> It would be quite interesting to know what the real story is, and also
>the
>> >> truth about Gann's actual trading profits. Borsellino seems to be a
>very
>> >> successful and capable index futures trader. Since he's been at it for
>20
>> >> years, he must be at least marginally consistent over a long period of
>> >time.
>> >> It is therefore hard to understand why he'd even want to follow Gann,
>> >unless
>> >> Gann was far more successful than his son let on. Perhaps, it is
>possible
>> >> that Gann did make $50 million and hid it somewhere overseas, and his
>son
>> >> was in on it. Then, after dad dies, he acts like he's broke so the IRS
>> >> doesn't catch on. After all, if Gann had even a fraction of the
>financial
>> >> savvy attributed to him, setting up an offshore tax haven would not
>have
>> >> been too difficult for him.
>> >>
>> >> Something doesn't add up here. Maybe Gann was just as bad a trader as
>his
>> >> son said, and swiped all his material from someone else just so he
>could
>> >> write about it and sell books. But it seems there must be more to it
>than
>> >> that, or maybe, like others, I just want to believe in the myth.
>> >>
>> >> Anyone know anything more?
>> >>
>> >> Ron Scott
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Lionel Issen
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 10:14 PM
>> >> To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Subject: Re: Market Gurus
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ron:
>> >> Thanks for the lead about Borsellino. I had never heard of him.
>> >> I thought that Gann's wife sold everything to Lambert, and that Lambert
>> >> recently died or retired and these materials were sold to someone else
>> >> (Borsellino?).
>> >>
>> >> About a year ago someone, I thought his name was Robert Krauz, wrote
>about
>> >> Gann's Secret (or some such title). Do You know anything about this
>book?
>> >> Lionel Issen
>> >> lissen@xxxxxxxxx
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Ron Scott" <ron@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 7:26 PM
>> >> Subject: RE: Market Gurus
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Neo and Lionel-
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you for clearing the confusion regarding the legendary William
>> >Gann.
>> >> I
>> >> > had heard somewhere he was worth $50 million when he died. Must have
>> >been
>> >> a
>> >> > nothing but a rumor. Whatever his net worth, while there are some
>good
>> >> > trading concepts to be extracted from his work, it sure isn't fun
>> >digging
>> >> > them out. And the mysticism stuff is rampant, with no way to know
>what
>> >he
>> >> > really meant. Borsellino thinks highly of him too, sounds like the
>most
>> >> > money he made was when his estate sold his materials to Borsellino.
>> >Maybe
>> >> > the true secrets were in that material. hmmmmmmmm. Does anyone know
>> >where
>> >> > the $50 million rumor came from, or if there is any truth to it? Did
>the
>> >> guy
>> >> > ever make any money trading, or just write about it?
>> >> >
>> >> > Ron Scott
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Lionel Issen
>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 2:52 PM
>> >> > To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > Subject: Re: Market Gurus
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > There was a discussion here about 2 years ago. The value of Gann's
>> >estate
>> >> > back in the 1950's was put at a number of different values that
>ranged
>> >> > around $55 and $100 k. Prices have gone up around 10 times since
>then.
>> >> > Gann's estate in present day $s was not more than $1meg. this is not
>> >very
>> >> > impressive for a great trader. Most of Gann's estate was in the value
>of
>> >> his
>> >> > house.
>> >> >
>> >> > At her web page and in her book, Constance Brown thinks very highly
>of
>> >> > Gann's methods, along with Elliot wave and Fibonacci methods. At her
>web
>> >> > page Brown suggests that Gann's methods were based on musical
>intervals
>> >> > which are logarithmic. Does anyone have the knowledge and skill to
>> >follow
>> >> up
>> >> > on the hints at her web site?
>> >> >
>> >> > Gann deliberately wrote in the obscure style of some professional
>> >mystics
>> >> > and some academicians who work hard at hiding the fact that they may
>not
>> >> > have much to hide. I find it hard enough to learn something new
>without
>> >it
>> >> > being made difficult.
>> >> >
>> >> > When I was a child it was said that only 4 people in the world
>> >understood
>> >> > Einstein's theories. When Einstein was asked about this he laughed
>and
>> >> said
>> >> > that he had personally met at least 600 people who fully understood
>his
>> >> > theories. Almost any subject can be made understandable to a lay
>person
>> >if
>> >> > the speaker will make an effort to do so.
>> >> > Lionel Issen
>> >> > lissen@xxxxxxxxx
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "neo" <neo1@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 12:52 PM
>> >> > Subject: Market Gurus
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > I am reading Elder's "Trading for a Living" where he talks about
>> >market
>> >> > > gurus including Elliott and Gann:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "I interviewed...Gann's son... He told me that his famous father
>could
>> >> not
>> >> > > support his family by trading but earned his living by writing and
>> >> selling
>> >> > > instructional courses... When [he] died...his estate...was valued
>at
>> >> > > slightly over $100,000."
>> >> > >
>> >> > > neo
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
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