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Re: equity play-AMAT

To: <grt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: equity play-AMAT
From: "Steve Karnish" <kernish@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:50:52 -0700
In-reply-to: <NBBBKFMIMHJOLMGOIJGNAEMAEFAA.grt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Guy,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Crazy markets!&nbsp; I triggered a Nasdaq-100 buy 
this morning and got long.&nbsp; Still carrying a few S&amp;P shorts.&nbsp; 
Nothing like spread trading the indices.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steve Karnish<BR>Cedar Creek Trading<BR><A 
href="http://www.cedarcreektrading.com";>http://www.cedarcreektrading.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  Guy Tann </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:kernish@xxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
  title=kernish@xxxxxxxxxxxx>Steve Karnish</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 21, 2000 11:53 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: equity play-AMAT</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=Section1>
  <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle19><FONT color=#993366 face=Arial 
  size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Let&#8217;s 
  not roll the BB success into thinking Moo U is unbeatable in 
  football.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle19><FONT color=#993366 face=Arial 
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  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><![if !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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  size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">In 
  looking at our signals, our sell is for tomorrow.<SPAN 
  style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>We&#8217;re loading back up after missing 
  that 112 point up move in 4 days.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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  size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">We&#8217;re 
  holding our shorts with one hand, hoping we don&#8217;t wet ourselves. 
  </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=EmailStyle19><FONT color=#993366 
  face=Wingdings size=2><SPAN 
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  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Good 
  luck,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</span>AUTOTEXTLIST \s &quot;E-mail 
Signature&quot; <span style='mso-element:field-separator'></span></span></font></span><![endif]--><FONT 
  color=#993366><SPAN style="COLOR: #993366">Guy</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  color=#993366><SPAN 
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  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black face=Tahoma 
  size=2><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original 
  Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Steve 
  Karnish [mailto:kernish@xxxxxxxxxxxx]<BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, March 19, 2000 9:32 
  PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 
  grt@xxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: 
  equity play-AMAT</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><![if !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black face=Arial 
  size=2><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Guy,</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  color=black><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black 
  face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  color=black><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black face=Arial 
  size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Let's 
  not forget...three big ten championships in a row.&nbsp; This whole Nasdaq-100 
  thing started after I taught an extended university class at the University of 
  Idaho.&nbsp; All twenty students wanted one thing: where do I get in at?&nbsp; 
  All twenty students had different ideas on how long to hold their 
  purchases.&nbsp; Therefore, instead of publishing where to get out, I just 
  provide buy signals.&nbsp; I can suggest all kinds of ideas on how to get out, 
  but many of the public players are investors, not traders.&nbsp; If you think 
  you got a whooping in football this year, wait until you see who State 
  recruited for the fall.&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black 
  face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  color=black><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black face=Arial 
  size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Take 
  care,</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black 
  face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  color=black><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black face=Arial 
  size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Steve 
  Karnish<BR>Cedar Creek Trading<BR><A 
  href="http://www.cedarcreektrading.com";>http://www.cedarcreektrading.com</A></SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  color=black><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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  color=black face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">----- Original 
  Message ----- </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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  <DIV style="font-color: black">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=black 
  face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A 
  href="mailto:grt@xxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=grt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>Guy Tann</A> 
  </SPAN></FONT></DIV><FONT color=black face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
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  color=black face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT 
  color=black face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A 
  href="mailto:kernish@xxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=kernish@xxxxxxxxxxxx>Steve 
  Karnish</A> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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  color=black face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT 
  color=black face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Sunday, March 19, 
  2000 8:35 PM</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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  color=black face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT 
  color=black face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> RE: equity 
  play-AMAT</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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  color=black face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><![if !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]></SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  color=black><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal 
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  class=EmailStyle18><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Steve<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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  <P class=MsoNormal 
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  class=EmailStyle18><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Looking 
  at your .gif, where were you&#8217;re sell 
  points?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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  class=EmailStyle18><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Also, 
  looks like throwing all of those cow pies, your basketball team has finally 
  pulled together. </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=EmailStyle18><FONT 
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  Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> <A 
  href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> 
  [<A 
  href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>]<B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Steve Karnish<BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, March 16, 2000 7:45 
  PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 
  metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> equity 
  play-AMAT</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN 
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  color=black face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">My 
  mechanical&nbsp;trading approach has been very accurate with AMAT this 
  year.&nbsp; The attached chart shows the buying signals generated during the 
  past twelve months.&nbsp; Tomorrow is the first buying signal since early in 
  the year.&nbsp; The five star rating is my highest buying recommendation and 
  is based on underlying strength of trend.&nbsp; The buying signal is generated 
  with a simple momentum oscillator.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN 
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Subject: RE: Trailing Stop
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How do you set these stop formulae up? As Indicators only?  Could you send
the code for these?

Daryl Roberts

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Ian Burgoyne
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 3:21 PM
To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Trailing Stop


I've been trying to improve my position trading by using a volatility
indicator to exit long positions primarily to protect profits. I like the
concept of a volatility stop as it is directly linked to the ranging
activity of the security. A number of them have been discussed on this forum
such as the Volatility Stop (Long) by Chande & Kroll, Trading The Trend by
Andrew Abrahams, ATR Trailing Stop by Yngvi Hardarson and the Count Back
Line by Daryl Guppy.
I've attached a chart of a trade I exited today.
Acting on the exit signal given by all the indicators yesterday I exited too
late and gave up about 72% of available profit which is way too high a price
for my liking. By using a lower multiplier of the ATR I would get a tighter
stop but often it can take you out of a trade prematurely. Had I based my
exit on the trendline I would have exited yesterday.
I know it's difficult to counter a gap move down like this one but can
anyone suggest a better method which will keep a good portion of profits yet
not exit trades too early.
regards
Ian Burgoyne


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