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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ton,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Thanks for taking the time to explain how you
approach your trading decisions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You said that you were "...an overall average
Technical Trader", well I consider myself</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>a student with much to learn! It's funny that
you bring up my Point & Figure history,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I believe that it (P&F) is a valid trend
following method, but I had given the development</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>of the Point & Figure Indicator a rest
after struggling with MetaStock's language </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>barriers (It should now be possible using "Power
Basic" or "C++" and the developers kit).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I was trying to create an indicator that would plot
on a bar chart were the "x"'s and "o"'s </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>of a P&F chart would be. If this can
accurately be done using different point and reversal </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>value's, then this indicator could be used in the
system tester for analysis. After this </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>struggle, I became interested in Robert Krausz's
Stuff... some of it didn't seem to work,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>but I really liked the Multiple time frames and
having a specific definition for trends.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> But as you mentioned (and what took me months
to learn) "You do the Analysis first",</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I spent all my time doing analysis, but couldn't
find a good way to pull the trigger (trade).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The Pitchforks, were then added to the Krausz
charts...but that just helped my analyzing,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>still couldn't trade.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> So ... were am I now? Still a student of
this madness, but I am learning how to pull the trigger.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Charles Drummonds "Point & Line" is a Multiple
Time Frame ( I like this ) method that allows</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>a person to define the market condition (Trending,
Congestion, Reversal). Once the market</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>condition is defined, then you use trading
rules for that specific condition. It also defines </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>specific support/resistance levels that can
act as buy/sell points (this can help me pull the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>trigger or get out). I am still studying all of
this, but have most of the code in MetaStock now.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>When I get my nerve up, I'll post some charts
(should be good for a few chuckles).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you wish to see how an expert uses this method
go to :</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://www.patrickshaughnessy.com/";>http://www.patrickshaughnessy.com/</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(Please...this is not spam) He has a daily
market review that he allows non-subscribers to </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>view a day late.... in this review he always
inserts a few charts and you can view how he</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>uses Drummond's stuff.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Ever seeking....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2> Adam
Hefner</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
A.J. Maas
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Metastock-List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 15, 2000 6:49
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Mother of all Highs</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Whoever was first in discovering the Broadening Top
</FONT><FONT size=2>("Counting Waves": Edwards&Maggee or
Elliott)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>that I cannot recall, but a valid Topping pattern
it is. Also on economical fundamental grounds(as though</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>the market is looking a few years ahead). Actualy the small
counts figured pattern, for all I know, </FONT><FONT size=2>could</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>already be it. Time will tell. </DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>1) Yep. a. The market isn't always
prefect.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=2>
b. Technical Analysis isn't always perfect.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=2> c.
I'm not always perfect <is that a small G or a large g>.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
size=2>
d. Charts(eh Layouts) can be kept for a life time, throughout
their</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>
life, I will than just add + delete and only occasionaly will/have to
alter.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>2) a. Note, that I combine Fundamental and Technical
Analysis and have Fundamental</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> preceeding the
Technicals. I am a selfmade quite well doing Fundamental Trader</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> and an overal average
Technical Trader, with for Trader the emphasis on Investor :</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> "not out to have to
quickly jump in and out of positions", eg I am not a Jo-Jo
(ZigZag).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> b. Reason enough, also after
having the series </FONT><FONT size=2>of the inevitable
bloopers(the "learning</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> phase", in which the
classiest patterns either </FONT><FONT size=2>were plain wrong or where
supposible</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> actions failed to come
through) to go slowly </FONT><FONT size=2>on taking in Technical
positions and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> this also extra
cautionaly done with the handbreak pulled up thight(hence, my
main</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> target and reason
for starting out using TA : I am not </FONT><FONT size=2>in it to
loose, only interested</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> in it to
gain).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT size=2> </FONT>c. a+b filters
out already taking in some of the positions that are available.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> d. Than, technical indicator wise or
positive solid breaks or throughs or clear Trending</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> underlays
can than persuade me </FONT><FONT size=2>to take in positions. But I must
also have a good</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> feeling about it.
I also use, eh follow, "my ST/IMT system" signals, but since
that</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> the system is far
from perfect, have to do this following with "one eye being
shut".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> e. And Technical Analysis is basicaly
what it says: analysis of charts technicaly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> Therefore, both
(Analysing and Trading) should not be mixed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> 1.
-You do the Analysis first.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> 2.
-Then considder a Trade or if you uberhaubt want to Trade.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> 3.
-See the filters above and create more of them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> 4.
-Check out all to come to terms with them/yourselve/Trade to see if there
are</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>
advantages/disadvantages and to what extend.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> 5. -Finaly,
and if your money account/supplier agrees, do take in the position(eh
Trade).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Now the above is all words, if you are not willing to take a
risk. And that is what Trading, oppose</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>to Investing, is all about : RISK. How far/well do you
believe the words(read: analysis+filters) and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>their </FONT><FONT size=2>outcomes to go ahead and take in a
position, and how well, afterwards, are you capable of</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>to protect </FONT><FONT size=2>your initial
inlay.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Questions, questions and questions. Hope the above helps at
least a bit in answering them, eg</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>the above </FONT><FONT size=2>purely to be seen as in how I
"Trade" my charts (which can well be that I have a possitive</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>result, chart pattern/indicator or fundamental or
combined, but still do not "get in", this since the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>getting ins do not count, but the getting outs ON TOP <or
equal to inlay> is what counts).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I know quite a lot of Traders now, that are "on
credit", eg on the wrong side of the stick, than</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>that I know Investors </FONT><FONT size=2>"on credit",
egbeing in that same position. Many will do 5 to 10,000
transactions</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>a year, to only come out of it with Jack Average wage
package. No pension or otherwise (state)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>provided security. If only one would break a leg or so,
than bust he goes (taking a family with him).</DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Actualy, in my humble surrounding, know more wealthy
Investors (private) to which, € wise, I still</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>"have </FONT><FONT size=2>to look </FONT><FONT size=2>up
to"</DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>(most Invest and only Trade to invest more in Investments,
sort of like Stock Picking the Buy&Holds,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>once obtained they are for keeps, </FONT><FONT
size=2>and than Trade the opposite, eg the cyclical, <volatile>
and up or</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>downgraded ones, among </FONT><FONT size=2>them
naturaly are the Indexes, but also from reading the charts).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>And reading your mail again, when are we to see more of
your findings(charts)?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Last year's Pitchforks weren't loosers, now were they? And
the P&F's ?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>(Please come forward, since 2 know more than
1.......) </DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT
size=2></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT><BR>Regards,<BR>Ton Maas<BR><A
href="mailto:ms-irb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ms-irb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR>Dismiss
the ".nospam" bit (including the dot) when replying.<BR>Homepage <A
href="http://home.planet.nl/~anthmaas";>http://home.planet.nl/~anthmaas</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
Adam Hefner </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> zaterdag 15 april 2000
16:36</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Mother of all Highs</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Ton, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> I always find your charts interesting!
The general logic is fairly easy to follow</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>since you seem to be counting waves (Elliot theory?) and
plotting angle lines.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> I have a couple of questions:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>1. Does the market ever make moves that cause your angle
lines and/or counts</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> to be re-adjusted, thus causing a
recalculation of your analysis?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>2. I have learned over the past year that analysis and
trading are two different things,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> so once</FONT><FONT size=2> you have
the chart analyzed how do you trade this?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>You have probably answered these questions before (if so I
apologies), but</FONT><FONT size=2> I ask </FONT><FONT size=2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>these questions with the utmost respect for your work
and generosity to this list</FONT><FONT size=2>.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Still not able to download from Datalink 6:30 am
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As of Sunday 7:05am EST, still unable to download from Reuters. This is
appalling service. And no 7/24 telephone to report problems either --
Strictly normal business hours!
According to recent stories I've read, Reuters wants to become an internet
force and be all things to all people, including the individual investor
whom they have not traditionally served. Seems to me, they have a thing or
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dan Martin
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Subject: Re: Reuters Datalink problem
Data Download Site Back Up OK
Just downloaded some data 08:00 Sun JST)
Martin
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From: "Dan Martin" <mar0178@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, 16 April, 2000 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: Reuters Datalink problem
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