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  • Subject: Metastock - System tester question
  • From: "Manuel Barquin" <ALEMANkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk>
  • Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 08:38:56 -0700

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm trying to&nbsp;use a trading system based on 
Candlesticks (Body Momentum - Perry Kaufman printed by VonHef on this list 
sometime ago, thanks VonHef). When I use in the system tester&nbsp;the following 
entry and exit conditions (long or short), the tester gives several 
entries/exits even though there is not a syntax condition to do so (this is my 
personal appreciation).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mov((Sum((CLOSE -OPEN) &gt;0,opt7)/<BR>(Sum((CLOSE 
-OPEN) &gt;0,opt7)+<BR>Sum((CLOSE -OPEN) &lt;0,opt7)))*100,opt8,S)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(where opt7&nbsp;is 1&nbsp;to 3,&nbsp;and 
opt8&nbsp;is 1&nbsp;to 5)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>My question is what is the system tester "thinking" regarding delivering 
entry/exit signals when there are not conditions?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I have read somewhere that if a moving average of close prices (with no 
conditions) is placed in the system tester editor entries, the tester will give 
entries when the moving average crosses closing prices. Well, that could be ok, 
but what happens when&nbsp;instead of having a moving average you have a system 
like the one described above?.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The reason I&nbsp;would like to&nbsp;know the answer to my questions is 
that I need to translate the metastock code into Visual Basic to work it with 
Excel, and I'm lost here.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thank you for your help, Manuel 
Barquin</DIV></DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Subject: Re: Mother of all Highs
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 17:36:15 +0200
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Analysis are the (studies/indicators/hand drawn) addittions 
made to a Chart and its next up</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>result is drawing the conclusions from it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>After the Analysis and&nbsp;ready for a trade:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>1) This Layout's Chart I will (have to)&nbsp;adjust 
for&nbsp;example "only slightly" for the (2 bottom) figure</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;lines&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>of the 
Daimond&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>pattern, and only if&nbsp;</FONT><FONT 
size=2>Price will soon go lower than the current crash's</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;Low @ 3227.&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>Since 
that&nbsp;this is still to happen (reaching the former 2898 Breakout), 
than</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;this&nbsp;</FONT><FONT 
size=2>Layout&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>and its Chart 
are&nbsp;also&nbsp;dynamic{as&nbsp;was&nbsp;written in an earlier 
mail}.</DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This RSI 2nd Lower High downtrade was 
called on 0313 with the&nbsp;RSI falling out</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; of its&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>DownTrend's 
Rising Wedge&nbsp;pattern(=bearish), and later confirmed by first</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the on 0314 RSI return-attempt(pull back) 
to get back into the Wedge pattern and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; with the 0315&nbsp;RSI </FONT><FONT 
size=2>failure drop&nbsp;to follow&nbsp;and also SOLIDLY confirmed on 0316<FONT 
size=3>&nbsp;</FONT>by</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;the Coppock.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>2) Wait for the Falling Wedge's falling Accelerator Line to 
get Up broken(in a downtrend=bullish).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;- Its 0324&nbsp;current Value is 
3995&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>but since that&nbsp;Price hasn't Temp-bottomed yet 
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (eg, no re-test{s} and see 
#1),&nbsp;you&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>will not have to rush.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT size=2>The Best 
bottoming signal is a now produced 2nd Higher Price&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>Low 
WITH&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>for minimum&nbsp;an</DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT><FONT size=2>acceptable 
true RSI&nbsp;divergence.</DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If you feel you are &lt;Trade-wise&gt; 
inexperiend, than ride the&nbsp;</FONT><FONT 
size=2>"pre-mature&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>breaks" as you</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;would play Casino's: "Profits"(if 
any)&nbsp;can go either&nbsp;way&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>(positive or 
negative),&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>eg and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;relies solely and totaly on pure luck (in 
some "markets" you will have that&nbsp;luck and in</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;some&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>you 
won't),&nbsp;but better if you don't play Casino's than DON'T ride these type of 
breaks.</DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Do ride the "matured breaks"** tho, since 
Pull Backs (=technical corrections, and&nbsp;based on</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; an in this&nbsp;</FONT><FONT 
size=2>instance&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>well esthablished "down trend") back to 
f.e.&nbsp;the Median @ 4450), are</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;always&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>bound to 
happen, but too, rest asured that this (as well as its previous High 
developing</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;too </FONT><FONT size=2>takes up time 
to develop) and action&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>will display in the Price only 
much later on in the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;year, eg&nbsp;</FONT><FONT 
size=2>well&nbsp;over a period of min. 6 months {playing options this can be too 
long and become</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; cumbersome}.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Also, the lower the Price is going now, the 
lesser the chance&nbsp;there is that such a maximum</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;corrective&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>Pull 
Back will succeed to reach its maximum&nbsp;Target (in this instance the higer 
up</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;Horizontal&nbsp;</FONT><FONT 
size=2>Channel'</FONT><FONT size=2>s&nbsp;Median&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>line 
@4450).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>**solid = confirmations from variant sources 
(RSI+Coppock+Patterns+Lines+Analysis)</DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Regards,<BR>Ton Maas</DIV>
<DIV><A 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  Adam Hefner 
  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> zaterdag 15 april 2000 16:36</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Mother of all Highs</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Ton,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I always find your charts interesting! 
  The general logic is fairly easy to follow</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>since you seem to be counting waves (Elliot theory?) and 
  plotting angle lines.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;I have a couple of questions:</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>1. Does the market ever make moves that cause your angle 
  lines and/or counts</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to be re-adjusted, thus causing a 
  recalculation of your analysis?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>2. I have learned over the past year that analysis and 
  trading are two different things,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; so once</FONT><FONT size=2> you have the 
  chart analyzed how do you trade this?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>You have probably answered these questions before (if so I 
  apologies), but</FONT><FONT size=2> I ask </FONT><FONT size=2></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>these questions with the utmost respect&nbsp;for your work 
  and generosity to this list</FONT><FONT size=2>.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Adam Hefner</FONT></DIV><![if !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]><![if !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]><![if !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]><![if !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]><![if !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]><![if !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]><!--[if supportFields]><span class=EmailStyle19><font 
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