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Would you've rather that the Belgium Franc was being used? You are not amusive here.
And don't let Duisenberg hear this.
Seriously, the ECB + EMU committees have for their ancorred statutes adopted the Price stability pact statutes
of the former BundesBank (Inflation >2% and M3-growth max. 4.5% and maximum Governmental Public
borrowing >30% of GDP). The former BundesBank is the only legaly assigned controler of the former DM.
(Assigned by the Munich Treaty on surrender in 1945 and enforced by the Allies).
Since that the former DM was only formed back in 1948 (thus well after the end of WW-II), and replaced the
hyper-war-inflated original DM and the fact that the Dutch Guilder was throughout the times the only one currency
that has stayed historicaly in line with this new DM currency (bandwith of +0.1% and -0.1%), then the ECB's choise
was not at all that difficult to make :
"If the 'old' DM hadn't gone through its 1948 "replacement", than the DM now would have been the ECB's natural
choise for the €URO Historical underlay".
Like mentioned the ECU is invalid. The 1989 EMU II Treaty was an arrangement by and between 11 participating
member-countries, of which halve (Brittan, Italy, Greece, Sweden+Finland) left between 1991-1994 and as such
were unofficialy being dismembered. The now -hypothetical- EMU II therefore only lived on as a synthatic "statistic".
Something one could statisticaly "play" with, but one too that was never ever to get any reqocknision in the
financial world, nor it being representative for the later started EMU III, nor officialy to be of an appreciated or of a
representative financial value. It helped some members in getting used to the existance of the EMU and its
different (single value only) calculating ways.
None of these instable countries were at that time also capable(or ready yet) to live up to the thight financial
household doctrine of having sound governmental measurements being taken to keep governmental housekeeping
books in optimum state, something that was and still can be seen in the hard DM-block countries.
At that time France+Belgium were also reconsiddering their participation, since that they too were facing their
irresponsable nearly uncontrolable uneconomical ill governmental spenditures, eg read: extensive borrowing by
all of these Gov's from the general public(financial markets). (Via all kind of accountancy tricks) in the end both
wisely decided to stay on. At that time too, the financial markets smelled blood from miles away, and the
shark-attack-like-results derived from it are now world-famous (i.e. the George Soros's & the likes).
All too, by their full sanity, have now all signed the 1999 EMU III Treaty and are therefore bound and now officialy
faced with to oblige to and to fullfill any of the harsh but fair targets set out by the ECB, eg the above
"former BundesBank" Price stabilty-pact measures and controls mentioned above.
These pact measures and controls are fully ancorred in the EMU III statutes, in the ECC statutes and in the ECB-statutes.
A safe guard for anyone doubting the €URO, the ECB or the EMU and its EMU committee.
And a warning to those members and future-to-be members, that the ECB means business
(there will be no place for weak pussy's).
>From all the above, one can notice directly that the historical values of the DM-block joining new EMU-members, are
of no essential value for the €URO. Not now, nor historically. These countries, with their parculiar funny run financial households,
weren't allowed to join the EMU III should they've have existed back than. These countries simply weren't capable to qualify
for the strict measures and controls of the EMU I pact. Then, many years later, they have realised that, and they've had up
till 1999-01-01 to put order in their chaos, eg to fully qualify for their EMU participation.
The former DM-block countries(Germany, Holland, Austria & Denmark) had already qualified way back in 1958, on the start
of the first EMU I treaty, with one finger in their nose qualified for the second EMU II treaty back in 1989, and are the backbone
of the Historical €URO.
Compare this evolution of the Historical €URO further into the financial markets, and note that any company that is taking over
another company or that merges with another company, its historical listings will not ever be or get adjusted. The smaller
company or the company to-be-taken-over will just vanish from the Exchange or continues its listing based on a pre-set
denomitar value.
Same goes for the €URO. Values were fixed set on 1998-12-31. And the €URO base is the former DM-block, and others
that want(ed) to join the €URO, will(would now) first have to fully qualify before any admission is allowed.
Historicaly count- & lookbacks reevalueing the €URO were, are now and are therefore in future "plain" out of the question.
Poland, Tsjechie and Hungary (among many others) all have applied. For them the first issue to solve is their human-rights
attitudes and laws.
Next, along with possible future members Greece, Brittan, Sweden etc. is for them all, to show YOY track records of sound
and healthy financial householdings, Governmental spenditure into becoming a stable member by fully acknowledging and
fully working on and fully committing to the at the top mentioned 3 minimal Price stable-lising measurements.
So the Historical pages have indeed changed since last visit(early 1999). The data set that's directly available in €URO
is shortened to 1999-01-01. The data set that's indirectly in €URO is available in DGR and starts from 1990-01-02.
It will only need a manual conversion using the prefixed 2.20371 rate for the €URO/DGR.
The table 9.2 links were that for the Yield rates and the 8.2 links below are that for the Exchange rates.
ECB-European Central Bank
Daily €URO foreign exchange reference rates
http://www.ecb.int/home/eurofxref.htm
Historical SERIES selected in EURO starting from 1999 (0101)
http://www.statistics.dnb.nl/dnb_cgi/statistics?lang=eng&curry=e&table=81&period=d&curry=e&c0=on&fyear=1999&fmonth=1&fday=1&lyear=20
00&lmonth=6&lday=1&display.x=89&display.y=2&lang=eng&frow=0&lrow=369&tsl=t
Historical SERIES selected in Guilder starting from 1990 (0102, and use the prefixed 2.20371 rate for the DGR/€URO)
http://www.statistics.dnb.nl/dnb_cgi/download?table=81&period=d&curry=g&lang=eng&c0=on&fyear=1990&fmonth=1&fday=2&lyear=2000&lmonth=
6&lday=1&display.x=54&display.y=3&frow=0&lrow=2664
Should you wish to receive a from the above already €URO adjusted Excel sheet, than let me know.
(Can zip it out to you).
Regards,
Ton Maas
ms-irb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Dismiss the ".nospam" bit (including the dot) when replying.
Homepage http://home.planet.nl/~anthmaas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Amelinckx" <Michel.Amelinckx@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: zondag 4 juni 2000 0:57
Subject: RE: Euro
Sorry but your EURO historical links are not working
Is this for real what you said about being the gulden for historical representation of the EURO, this coming from a dutchman.
Greetings
Mickey
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of A.J. Maas
> Sent: zaterdag 3 juni 2000 20:43
> To: Metastock-List
> Subject: Re: Euro
>
>
> Good work on the XLS workbooks.
>
> The ECU is invalid. It was a fictious estimated "bookvalue"
> only, and only partly representing
> a non existing EMU (fictious 8 countries, in stead of the
> official 11) and for its bookvalues
> calculations no official accountancy rule-set was ever esthablished.
> The main ECU's purpose on birth was for the Commission and
> future participating country-members
> to gain experience with and learn to deal with having a
> multilangual single "unified" bookvalue.
> Never been Official nor gone into any Official ECC/ECB books,
> and therefore the ECU fictious rates
> have all been dumped straight into the various bin(s) once
> the €URO was esthablished.
>
> The current Official €uro rates can be obtained from the
> ECB's €URO site.
> For the Official Historical €uro data click the €uro
> Historical Data link at the bottom of the page.
>
> The former Dutch Guilder was choosen to be the representative
> underlay of the Historical data set.
> Since that the Guilder and its pre-decessor the Floryn, go
> back well into the Golden 17th Century,
> than 5 Centuries of €URO data is available, eg the
> longest+oldest exchange rate index that's available
> to any Central Bank.
>
> ECB-European Central Bank
>
> Daily €URO foreign exchange reference rates
> http://www.ecb.int/home/eurofxref.htm
>
> Official Historical €URO data
> All series
> http://www.statistics.dnb.nl/dnb_cgi/statistics?lang=eng&curry
> =&table=92&period=d&fcol=0&lcol=17&frow=0&lrow=2400&tsl=t
> All titles
> http://www.statistics.dnb.nl/dnb_cgi/transfer?lang=eng&curry=&;
> table=92&period=d&fcol=0&lcol=17&file=titles&type=download
>
> Regards,
> Ton Maas
> ms-irb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Dismiss the ".nospam" bit (including the dot) when replying.
> Homepage http://home.planet.nl/~anthmaas
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Pfluegl" <thomas.pfluegl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <metastock-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <Macromnt@xxxxxxx>
> Sent: zaterdag 3 juni 2000 12:10
> Subject: Re: Euro
>
>
>
> Bonjour Jean-Jacques,
>
> You can download the Euro from 19790102 to 20000601 at:
> http://www-public.tu-bs.de:8080/~y0003876/euro.txt
> The corresponding Chart:
> http://www-public.tu-bs.de:8080/~y0003876/euro.htm
>
> Beware:
> Up to 1998 it's the Ecu (XEU), from the beginning of 1999 the
> Euro (EUR).
>
> If you are having problems reading the German header please
> let me know.
>
> HTH,
> Thomas
>
> For Perl users:
> Take a look at
http://www-public.tu-bs.de:8080/~y0003876/scripts.html, full of
useful scripts (edit quote lists, download security data, etc.).
>
> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 15:29:48 EDT
> From: Macromnt@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Euro
> Hi everybody!
> By any chance does somebody have a synthetic data file for the Euro starting
> 1985?
> Whatever the format, I'd appreciate greatly.
> Thank you.
> Jean-Jacques Chénier
> GLOBAL MANAGEMENT
> tel: 212/758-0725
> fax: 212/758-0683
> e-mail: MacroMnt@xxxxxxx
> Web: w<A
HREF="www.trendoscil.com">w
> w.trendoscil.com</A>
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