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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle17><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I’m not
sure what everyone is complaining about, but I have saved most of Steve’s posts
for the past couple of years and he has posted lots of different methodologies
that he has used or looked at in his trading.<span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>He never offered to provide his “ultimate” system but he has
offered us several others.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle17><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Steve is
in business and while he has contributed tons of ideas to the list, has been
more than free with his concepts.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</span>With regard to his seminars, I also missed them, but he did offer via
the list, a copy of what he presented (albeit with tongue in cheek to a few
individuals who keep tweaking his nose).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Steve has
been developing trading systems for many years (I think for more than 20 years)
and if he has succeeded in developing a working system based on his time and
creativity, I wouldn’t expect him to offer his “final” results for free.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>This is Steve’s business, so let’s at
least respect that.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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color=navy><span style='color:navy'>Guy</span></font><font color=navy><span
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Paranoia...you only have to be right once
to make it all worthwhile!</span></font><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jim<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, July 10, 2000 4:02
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Enough with the Teaser
email from CCT</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I agree.....i
asked him for some of his plays and he told me he had already deleted them...3
days later.....huh...<br>
<br>
<br>
At 09:47 AM 7/1/00 -0500, you wrote:<br style='mso-special-character:line-break'>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Hi: </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'> I am missing the point of these
types of messages to the group. If you are going to post these types of results
from some seminar then why don't you give all everyone on the Metastock list
the same systems extended in the seminar. Perhaps many members of the group
have not had seminars in their area etc and could not avail themselves of your
services.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'> If there is a fee for these systems
then tell people you are charging for this,but don't just throw it up there and
let people flounder.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'> I just returned from a very costly
but worthwhile seminar where proprietary trading info was given. The
trader giving the seminar made us pay for this info and has left it at that.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'> Either tell people results,offer
them the info or give them the option to pay for the systems or don't bother.
Just my opinion on this type of list to the group. If I have missed posting of
the systems I apologize,If not...</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Paula</span></font><font color=black><span
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windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>-----
Original Message ----- <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:kernish@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>Steve Karnish</a> <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</a> <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, June 30, 2000 5:19
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: EMINI BUY<br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Guy,</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Good luck next week. I'm off to Montana to
enjoy some fresh water fishing, sailing, and boating. Lake Flathead is
the largest body of freshwater west of the Mississippi...but, I mere
"splash in the bucket" compared to what we are used to. When I
return, I will tell you about the eight seminars I conducted. The emails
continue to roll in...here's a teaser from this morning:</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>"On June 17, 2000 I attended the MetaStock
training session and received a<br>
floppy disk with two of you trading systems on it. As well hearing you<br>
explain your trading system to the group. I have traded your system using<br>
your formulas in MetaStock and you Internet picks for the last seven trading<br>
days. The results have been great with a $14,536.42 profit from the stock<br>
market so far. "</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Happy 4th,</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
Steve Karnish<br>
Cedar Creek Trading<br>
http://www.cedarcreektrading.com<br
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mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:2.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>-----
Original Message ----- <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:grt@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>Guy Tann</a> <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</a> <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, June 30, 2000 2:19
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: EMINI BUY<br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Steve,<br>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <br>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I hope you re right. We re long from 1467
and 1471, but that doesn t concern me as much as my equity positions.
While I m not margined, I was still down 10% on these stocks (thanks ValueLine
since our own picks did better than ValueLine s this time). I made back
one third of my equity losses today. Only need two more days like today
and I ll be more than happy. Those semi stocks finally came back a tad.<br>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <br>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We re running nine out of the last 10 trades
correct, with the only loser being a 2 pointer on our May 9 buy, but that doesn
t include the couple of big losses we had. Overall, we re 16 out of 19
going back to last October, but your system is substantially different than
ours. We usually never add to our positions (I say usually because we ve
been known to do it on the equity side). We simply initiate our positions
when we originate our trade and wait for the next signal in order to reverse.<br>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <br>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>Guy<br>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'> <br>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>Paranoia...you only
have to be right once to make it all worthwhile!<br>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <br>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [<a
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%5DOn"; eudora=autourl>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]</a><a
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%5DOn"; eudora=autourl><b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On</span></b></a><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>
Behalf Of </span></b>Steve Karnish<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, June 30, 2000 8:26
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> EMINI BUY<br>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
<br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>List,<br>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
<br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Cedar Creek Trading has issued a "Slow
MO" buying signal this morning (for the Sept. S&P) and filled opening
orders in the 1456.5 - 1456.75 range. This approach is "used by and
accounted for" in many trading accounts and is currently riding a nine
trade winning streak. <br>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
<br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Steve Karnish<br>
Cedar Creek Trading<br>
http://www.cedarcreektrading.com</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br>
</span></font><font color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-family:
"Courier New";color:black'>Happy trading...<br>
Jim....<br>
Atlanta, GA</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Subject: Re: Problem with e-Signal on T-Bonds today?
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:05:07 -0700
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Owen:
I have the same holes as you, and Quote.com's time and sales table
is not much better. Perhaps the problem originated at the CBOT.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Owen Davies" <owen@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 2:35 PM
Subject: Problem with e-Signal on T-Bonds today?
> I don't know whether this was my ISPs's fault (both of them),
> something to do with the exchange, or an e-Signal problem,
> but the times on my 1-minute bars just as US U0 was finally
> breaking upward read as follows:
>
> 1:40, 1:42, 1:43, 1:45, 1:47, 1:55, 1:56, etc.
>
> As you might guess, I'm not happy. It's hard to blame this
> on the ISPs, because there are two of them, and during that
> 7-minute gap, neither of them was feeding data through.
> In most cases, switching from one to the other resolves
> any problems.
>
> Can anyone confirm that there was trouble during the
> critical minutes above? Can anyone tell me what went wrong?
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Owen Davies
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