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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=657445617-12072000>Ray:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=657445617-12072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=657445617-12072000>I 
sincerely apologize for the problems our software may have caused.&nbsp; Please 
know that my development team and I take our jobs very seriously and we take it 
personally when there are major problems with the software we have 
produced.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=657445617-12072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=657445617-12072000>As I 
stated earlier, 6.52 and 7.01 were released earlier that we would have normally 
liked.&nbsp; There are times that it is difficult to spend the required time 
testing when there are large numbers of users screaming for their release.&nbsp; 
I will admit that we bowed too early to the pressure to release early rather 
than spending adequate time proving the quality of what were trying to 
build.&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=657445617-12072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=657445617-12072000>I have 
promised to this list that we will try and improve the quality of what we 
release.&nbsp; To do this takes time.&nbsp; All I hope to get in return from our 
customers is patience.&nbsp; Patience when they ask us "where is the release you 
promised" and get a "it just isn't ready yet" response.&nbsp; 
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=657445617-12072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=657445617-12072000>There 
are many people involved in the design, development and testing of our 
products.&nbsp; They come from a variety of backgrounds and they have a variety 
of trading methods (just like the diverse set of users of our products).&nbsp; 
No, we do not plan on abandoning the trading methods of any of our users.&nbsp; 
We design and build our software to make it useful for the largest number of 
potential users.&nbsp; That makes it nearly impossible to produce software that 
is absolutely perfect for any specific group.&nbsp; We hope that we produce 
software that is useful to a wide range of users and their equally wide range of 
analysis styles and needs.&nbsp; This approach in itself, also&nbsp;creates 
software that can provide useful features as a particular user's needs and 
styles may vary over the years.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=657445617-12072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=657445617-12072000>Thank 
you for your suggestion regarding the layout editor.&nbsp; I will make sure that 
it is added to the suggestion list for future versions.&nbsp; As I stated in 
earlier postings, I cannot promise anything with regard to suggestions.&nbsp; I 
have no overriding or special authority when it comes to the features in the 
program.&nbsp; That is accomplished through a design group.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ken Hunt</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial 
size=2>Programming Manager</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Equis 
International</FONT> </P>
<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma 
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Raymond Hodge 
[mailto:rphodge@xxxxxxxxxxx]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 11, 2000 2:18 
PM<BR><B>To:</B> metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Where in blazes 
is 7.02 ????<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Ken Hunt<BR><BR>Ken some of us try to make our 
livings using the visual capabilities of your software. Metastock is currently 
the only provider I know of of visual analysis software which includes layouts. 
I wonder if you understand that when you release bug filled updates like 6.52 / 
7.01 we are actually prevented from earning a living for our families for a 
period of time.<BR><BR>6.52/7.01 was buggy enough on the visual side that it 
makes me wonder if anyone at MetaStock is actually using the software for visual 
trading and analysis? I know that Allan&nbsp; McNichol used to, he told me so at 
the futures shows in Chicago. Has he given it up since he got promoted? Do you 
have any visual traders in your beta program?<BR>How did this mess get past you 
guys? Could it happen again? That is a scary thought.<BR><BR>I realize that 
mechanical trading is big right now. Newbies especially prefer it cause it looks 
easy and less time consuming. And the mechanical guys are the ones who do most 
of the research and posting. They have to, they are always looking for something 
that works (and never finding it form the look of things). Us 
Visual/discretionary folks spend that time analyzing and trading 
markets.<BR><BR>But studies have shown that mechanical traders tend to burn out 
(even the successful ones) faster and more often than visual/intuitive traders. 
It has something to do with the roller coaster ride their equity balances take 
and feelings of lack of control, etc.. Also it's tougher to develop an edge 
training a machine than it is training a brain. <BR><BR>Anyway, visual/intuitive 
traders are the ones who stick with you. For instance, I have been doing this 
for years now and have yet to trash an account. I buy every upgrade, etc. just 
to offer support.<BR><BR>Ken, to my knowledge, MetaStock is the best visual 
analysis app extant. I sure hope you folks are not going to let it slip. 
Especially not in favor of developing mechanical capabilities and features which 
are already available in various other apps. Please do not abandon us visual 
traders.<BR><BR>Finally, how about a utility for editing layouts? Not while they 
are up on the screen. You miss too much that's not shown that way. But an app 
that lets you edit MetaStock layouts in words, like you guys had years ago? it 
was great. Where did it go?<BR><BR>Thank you for posting here Ken. Had to take 
some guts.<BR>Ray<BR><BR><BR><BR>At 09:39 AM 7/10/2000 , you wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite">Ron and others:<BR><BR>I appreciate your candor 
  also.&nbsp; As I stated in my first posting, I am not<BR>here to defend 
  anything we have done in our products.<BR><BR>Personally, I find any program 
  crash as unacceptable.&nbsp; Hopefully, 7.02 will<BR>be an 
  improvement.<BR><BR>As for resource problems, we did identify and fix some 
  resource leaks in the<BR>program also.&nbsp; Beyond that, I can only hope that 
  our products are acceptable<BR>when it comes to "small enough" or "fast 
  enough".&nbsp; Measuring the<BR>acceptability of a program when it comes to 
  speed and efficiency is very<BR>imprecise.&nbsp; A real-time environment makes 
  it more difficult.&nbsp; From the<BR>beginning, we designed the real-time 
  aspects of the program to have no<BR>built-in limitations.&nbsp; The program 
  operation is only limited by the demands<BR>placed on it by the user combined 
  with the number of updates being received<BR>in real-time.&nbsp; This means 
  that it is indeed possible to "max out" a system<BR>by opening many charts and 
  placing calculation intensive indicators on the<BR>charts.&nbsp; Each machine 
  will behave differently based on what the user is<BR>trying to accomplish in 
  conjunction with the number of real-time updates<BR>required.&nbsp; If the 
  demands on a machine are getting too intense, the software<BR>will display a 
  series of warnings about low resources or an inability to<BR>keep up with the 
  real-time data flow.<BR><BR>I do know that it is a never ending challenge to 
  balance program speed,<BR>efficiency and usability with the escalating demands 
  of new and complex<BR>features requested by our users.&nbsp; We are always 
  attempting to improve our<BR>software and I hope we can get it right 
  also.<BR><BR>Ken Hunt <BR>Programming Manager<BR>Equis 
  International<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Ron Scott [<A 
  href="mailto:ron@xxxxxxxxxx"; 
  eudora="autourl">mailto:ron@xxxxxxxxxx</A>]<BR>Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 
  4:14 PM<BR>To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Subject: RE: Where in blazes is 7.02 
  ????<BR><BR><BR>Ken-<BR><BR>I appreciate your candor.&nbsp; Fact of the matter 
  is, I have had more trouble<BR>with Metastock crashing than any other 
  financial software package I have<BR>used.&nbsp; The realtime charts are 
  especially prone to cease updating, requiring<BR>deleting the chart from the 
  layout and then opening the security again in a<BR>new chart and adding it to 
  the layout, several times a day.&nbsp; Also, Metastock<BR>is a huge resource 
  hog, even on a Dell Workstation 933mhz 420 with 256mb of<BR>RDRAM!&nbsp; 
  System resources low, it says. What are we supposed to do, lease<BR>time on a 
  supercomputer?<BR><BR>However, your charts do have a better look and feel than 
  any other program.<BR>I hope you do get it right soon, so I can stay with 
  Metastock.<BR><BR>Another big problem is lack of easy data organization. You 
  should provide<BR>lists of securities by industry and sector group, not by 
  alphabetization.<BR>That does me no good. Also, backtesting is inferior since 
  you can only test<BR>one security at a time.&nbsp; In AIQ for example, you can 
  test as many as you<BR>want all at once.<BR><BR>Ron 
  Scott<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: 
  owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>[<A 
  href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%5DOn"; 
  eudora="autourl">mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On</A> Behalf Of PD 
  Manager<BR>Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 9:25 AM<BR>To: 
  'metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'<BR>Subject: RE: Where in blazes is 7.02 
  ????<BR><BR><BR>The final release build of 7.02 for MetaStock was completed on 
  June 28th.<BR>The final release build of 7.02 for MetaStock Professional was 
  completed on<BR>July 3rd.<BR><BR>The master CDs for both of these programs 
  have been given to our order<BR>fulfillment department and they are currently 
  undergoing duplication.&nbsp; I<BR>would expect the CDs to be available within 
  2-3 weeks.<BR><BR>I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone for 
  their patience<BR>while waiting for this release.<BR><BR>I would also like to 
  address the quality issue with some of our most recent<BR>releases of 
  MetaStock.&nbsp; After the release of 6.52 and subsequent versions,<BR>we 
  recognized that we had a quality problem with our software. The long<BR>delay 
  for version 7.02 was a direct result of our focus on trying to improve<BR>the 
  overall quality of MetaStock.<BR><BR>Does this mean that we have fixed 
  everything or that users will not<BR>encounter problems with 7.02?&nbsp; Not 
  likely.&nbsp; With software of the magnitude<BR>of MetaStock, it is impossible 
  to promise that all problems have been fixed<BR>or even identified.&nbsp; I 
  can promise that we fixed numerous problems with<BR>MetaStock.&nbsp; Most of 
  these were reported by customers.&nbsp; Many of them were<BR>identified and 
  fixed through an increased effort of internal testing.&nbsp; All<BR>of this 
  increased focus on quality has taken additional time.&nbsp; We delayed<BR>the 
  release of 7.02 many times over the last several weeks because we wanted<BR>to 
  make sure we felt good about it.&nbsp; No, it won't be perfect but I 
  can<BR>promise that it will be better.<BR><BR>Although this is my first 
  posting to the list, I have been lurking on this<BR>list for many 
  months.&nbsp; I want everyone to know that I do read your postings<BR>and I do 
  feel and understand your frustrations.&nbsp; I am in awe of the 
  passion<BR>that our users have for the analysis they are doing.&nbsp; With 
  that passion<BR>comes the frustration that MetaStock doesn't always do exactly 
  what an<BR>individual user requires.&nbsp; It may be caused by a design issue 
  or it may be<BR>caused by an outright bug.&nbsp; I have also come to realize 
  that the passion of<BR>our users makes it even more impossible to make 
  everyone happy.&nbsp; We are<BR>trying to develop and maintain software that 
  works well for everyone.&nbsp; This<BR>means that it most likely will not be 
  perfect for everyone.&nbsp; There is no<BR>shortage of analysis techniques and 
  methods among the users of MetaStock.<BR>Each user is very passionate and 
  convinced about their own methods.&nbsp; If you<BR>don't believe that, just 
  look at the contents of this list over the last<BR>several months.&nbsp; We 
  constantly agonize over how we can make MetaStock a<BR>good, solid, overall 
  solution for everyone, from the novice investor to the<BR>professional.&nbsp; 
  It is an ongoing work in progress.&nbsp; It is also no easy task<BR>but we are 
  trying to meet the challenge head on.<BR><BR>I will continue to monitor this 
  list, and I will make an occasional<BR>contribution.&nbsp; In return, all I 
  ask is that the members of this list<BR>continue to be patient with us.&nbsp; 
  We do not enjoy frustrating our users any<BR>more than they enjoy being 
  frustrated.&nbsp; Hopefully, those times are rare and<BR>isolated.&nbsp; I 
  admit that MetaStock is not perfect software and my development<BR>team and I 
  have made mistakes in design and implementation.&nbsp; We will 
  almost<BR>certainly make mistakes in the future that will frustrate our 
  users.&nbsp; We do<BR>not find this acceptable, but if we admit to ourselves 
  that we are not<BR>perfect, we are better able to always improve.<BR><BR>If in 
  the future we are delayed with releases of our products, please 
  be<BR>patient.&nbsp; I will promise to end some of the overwhelming silence to 
  the<BR>question of "where is the next release you promised".&nbsp; Please be 
  prepared to<BR>get answers similar to "It just isn't ready yet" or "We are 
  having problems<BR>and you wouldn't want it in it's current 
  condition."<BR><BR>In closing I would like to clarify my purpose for 
  monitoring and posting to<BR>this list.&nbsp; I monitor it to keep in touch 
  with our users and how they use<BR>our software.&nbsp; I also monitor it to 
  keep in touch with the problems they are<BR>having with our software.&nbsp; I 
  will admit that it isn't always easy to read<BR>the criticism of the software 
  that my team and I have helped develop.&nbsp; My<BR>team and I, however, are 
  not above taking criticism and we DO take it<BR>seriously.<BR><BR>Recently, I 
  have decided to make occasional postings when I can clear up<BR>some 
  misunderstandings or when I can contribute some meaningful information.<BR>I 
  do not plan on using this as a forum to defend Equis against 
  criticism.<BR><BR>Please be aware that I cannot provide technical support for 
  our products.<BR>The Equis Product Support team is much more capable of 
  providing quality<BR>support and troubleshooting than I.&nbsp; I am also not a 
  good person to contact<BR>to campaign for a feature addition or a design 
  change.&nbsp; No single person<BR>within Equis decides the feature set of our 
  software or it's overall design.<BR>The Product Development team is 
  responsible for the creation and maintenance<BR>of the product as designed by 
  the design group within Equis.&nbsp; I am not a<BR>good person to ask for 
  information regarding upgrade policy or pricing.<BR><BR>This does NOT mean 
  that I am not willing to contribute meaningful<BR>information where I 
  can.<BR><BR>Thank you again for your patience and understanding.<BR><BR>Ken 
  Hunt<BR>Programming Manager<BR>Equis 
  International<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: 
  Nicholas Kormanik [<A href="mailto:nkormanik@xxxxxxxxxx"; 
  eudora="autourl">mailto:nkormanik@xxxxxxxxxx</A>]<BR>Sent: Friday, July 07, 
  2000 12:07 AM<BR>To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Subject: Where in blazes is 
  7.02 ????<BR><BR><BR><BR>This is getting ridiculous! </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Al Taglavore writes:

If I may switch gears on you a bit here...

> I almost always scale in and scale out of a trade. I may have three
> to five orders that will constitute one trade. If my opening order
> is profitable, I will then add to a winning position.

At what point and/or how do you determine that you've made a good
decision and add to a trade?