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HELLO.

I wish to thank you for all of your hard work.  I can see you did alot
of research on the subject of "Cycles" and the other things you got
carried away with.

But here are a few facts.

[1] I'am a devoted Metastock fan, have been for years.
[2] I don't work for Walt Bressert,  but I found this free stuff
      on his web site.  I tried it,  in Metastock;  and it "improved"
      my trading accuracy and account balance. Use $4,000 per
      month start money and I walk away in July with $2,200
      and I still have my original $4K.  So you see.  Call it
      an Oscillator, Cycle, or anything else.  I say if it works
      for me,  that is what's important.  And that's the bottom line.

Now, why don't you take all your energy.  Write a new tech tool
so that all of us can be proud of you.  You know, when a tech tool
or software program is not wining.  People are smart,  they won't buy
it.

That's the end.  I don't want to have this conversation again.

Songyun Fox




"A.J. Maas" wrote:

> Aren't you fooling everyone by sending out that old hat stuff from a
> mixed up duplicating (CMT) parrot? The site contains nothing more than
> that what can be found in other "simple" TA books, but of whichtheir
> (hype) validity in TA is heavely been debated, doubted & uncovered:
> i.e. the cycles, fibinionacy and the likes. Further you also do not
> seem to be that familiar with the MetaStock program.Stochastics, RSI's
> and EMA's etc.etc have been explained and used and put into many
> variaties.Even the switch to Weekly data (eg the "big catch" in your
> master's Charts) has in length been debated. Also in program there is
> the option for users (thus also for website+software entreponeurs) to
> write anyExpert Advisors themselves, eg this is so since at least v6.0
> and also there is nowhere near the obligationfor the Equis Int. firm,
> to start writing them, wether for any of its casual users nor for
> businesses, let alonefor any fool that wants to run a software
> package+website, eg thus also not for sites containing anysimple TA
> books replications. Wave-, trend- & market-moves are not
> Cycles. Cycles are repetative economical dips(recessions) that are
> also to be found in the much longer time    frames, i.e. >1 year, but
> mainly more, and are envoked by the economical rises & falls in the
> over+over-again re-creation of efficienct operating by world's largest
> companies in major industrial sectors,    and therefore later, by the
> inevitable rises of Prices(inflation) and therfore the bonds
> Yields(Intrest Rates).    E.g. where then a continuous snowballing
> process is undergone by many of the important economic    sectors:
> when one sector comes down, it drags another related sector with it in
> the downcollapse,    and than that 2nd sector will drag a third with
> it, and so on and so on, until the recession levels are    been met,
> marking the finishing end: the bottom (that's when it is easier for
> companies to lay of    workers and shutdown factories without
> predicise: the owners + unions + the general public by then    will
> have all been bashed that much and become familiar with the harsh but
> fair "will to survive, and    therefore offerings will have to be
> made" and are by then thus the (otherwise not) "excepted
> solutions".    The Heavy Industries(just as an example) first go
> through a mild-then-heavy phase of lower turnovers,    therefore also
> getting lower revenues, therefore will also have to restructure and
> eventialy will have    to massively lay off workers (to be able to
> survive) : i.e. the true example of a cyclic stock.     Examples of
> cyclic stocks are :              -the Steel & Iron (Heavy Metal)
> Industries              -the Mining & Resources
> Industries              -the Oil Industry              -the
> Transportation Industry (Freight: Airliners, Sea-containers +
> Road-trucking)              -the Chemical+Pharmacy
> Industry              -the Financial Industry              -and of
> late the Chip Industry etc. etc.     Examples of these cycles are the
> ones that have occured recently and in the deeper farther past:    -
> 1991-1992 (mild and envoked by first the economic tide and second:
> fired up by the Gulf-war)    - 1980-1982 (mild and envoked by first
> the economic tide and second: the drop of the Gold
> +                       the collapse of the Housing prices)    -
> 1970-1978 (strong and envoked by first the economic tide and second:
> fired up by the Oil-crises price rise)    - 1929-1945 (heavy and
> envoked by first the economic tide and second: by the collapse of
> the                       stockmarkets and by the continious 2nd
> WorldWar) What's in a name you say? (eg cycles or waves or moves)It is
> were your basics starts. And were one is easy to be uncovered, could
> be as a hoax too.In computer-life this can also be witnessed, eg type
> in the wrong name, give an enter and the wrong programgets started. On
> the web, type in a space or other digit(visable or invisable) and the
> address will return only errors. In efficiency & in accuracy is too
> were you will find the Top notch of the large bunch of (too simple)
> offerings. Get cracking at the program's default Stochastics and now
> ALSO switch to Weekly data, likeyour friend the parrot did, and you
> will soon find your beloved "discovery".There has been a discussion a
> few years ago, the oldies here on the List will remember this,
> abouthow to write that Weekly version of the program default
> Stoch(5,3) into an Daily version, andthus far no-one has ever
> succeeded.(The Weekly performs its indicator line+buys&sells
> signalsalways so SMOOTHLY).Eventualy a SuperStochastics version came
> out 2nd best, I believe. Do not take this personaly, Songyun, I am not
> discusioning your tremendous input, but am merelyuncovering that what
> could easely set of to be the start of yet another hype (see at the
> top for moreexamples of man-made hypes).
> Regards,
> Ton Maas
> ms-irb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Dismiss the ".nospam" bit (including the dot) when replying.
> Homepage  http://home.planet.nl/~anthmaas
>
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: Songyun Fox
>      To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>      Sent: zaterdag 29 juli 2000 16:04
>      Subject: From Songyun - ref. Bressert Cycle 5
>       Hello...
>
>      I have attached 2 pic's of the Cycle 5 indicator at work.
>
>      I think this is an easy indicator to use,  and should be
>      part of Equis/Metastock Quick Indicator List.
>
>      I offer this not to sell you something,  just you another
>      easy
>      and free way to pick short term tops/bottoms.
>
>      I also use the Envelope, located on the indicator list.
>      You can see how nicely it defines recent tops and likely
>      future bottoms....
>
>      Kindest regards,
>
>      Songyun
>
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<b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1">HELLO.</font></b><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1"></font></b>
<p><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1">I wish to thank you for all
of your hard work.&nbsp; I can see you did alot of research on the subject
of "Cycles" and the other things you got carried away with.</font></b><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1"></font></b>
<p><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1">But here are a few facts.</font></b><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1"></font></b>
<p><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1">[1] I'am a devoted Metastock
fan, have been for years.</font></b>
<br><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1">[2] I don't work for Walt Bressert,&nbsp;
but I found this free stuff</font></b>
<br><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
on his web site.&nbsp; I tried it,&nbsp; in Metastock;&nbsp; and it "improved"</font></b>
<br><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
my trading accuracy and account balance. Use $4,000 per</font></b>
<br><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
month start money and I walk away in July with $2,200</font></b>
<br><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
and I still have my original $4K.&nbsp; So you see.&nbsp; Call it</font></b>
<br><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
an Oscillator, Cycle, or anything else.&nbsp; <font color="#FF0000">I say
if it works</font></font></b>
<br><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1"><font color="#FF0000">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
for me,&nbsp; that is what's important.&nbsp; </font><font color="#330033">And
that's the bottom line.</font></font></b><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1"><font color="#330033"></font></font></b>
<p><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1"><font color="#330033">Now, why
don't you take all your energy.&nbsp; Write a new tech tool</font></font></b>
<br><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1"><font color="#330033">so that
all of us can be proud of you.&nbsp; You know, when a tech tool</font></font></b>
<br><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1"><font color="#330033">or software
program is not wining.&nbsp; People are smart,&nbsp; they won't buy it.</font></font></b><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1"><font color="#330033"></font></font></b>
<p><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1"><font color="#330033">That's
the end.&nbsp; I don't want to have this conversation again.</font></font></b><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1"><font color="#330033"></font></font></b>
<p><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1"><font color="#330033">Songyun
Fox</font></font></b>
<br><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1"><font color="#330033"></font></font></b>&nbsp;
<br><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1"><font color="#330033"></font></font></b>&nbsp;
<br><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1"></font></b>&nbsp;
<p>"A.J. Maas" wrote:
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<font size=-1>Aren't you fooling
everyone by sending out that old hat stuff from a mixed up duplicating
(CMT) parrot?</font>&nbsp;<font size=-1>The site contains nothing more
than that what can be found in other "simple" TA books, but of which</font><font size=-1>their
(hype) validity in TA is heavely been debated, doubted &amp; uncovered:
i.e. the cycles, fibinionacy and the likes.</font>&nbsp;<font size=-1>Further
you also do not seem to be that familiar with the MetaStock program.</font><font size=-1>Stochastics,
RSI's and EMA's etc.etc have been explained and used and put into many
variaties.</font><font size=-1>Even the switch to Weekly data (eg the "big
catch" in your master's Charts) has in length been debated.</font>&nbsp;<font size=-1>Also
in program there is the option for users (thus also for website+software
entreponeurs) to write any</font><font size=-1>Expert Advisors themselves,
eg this is so since at least v6.0 and also there is nowhere near the obligation</font><font size=-1>for
the Equis Int. firm, to start writing them, wether for any of its casual
users nor for businesses, let alone</font><font size=-1>for any fool that
wants to run a software package+website, eg thus also not for sites containing
any</font><font size=-1>simple TA books replications.</font>&nbsp;<font size=-1>Wave-,
trend- &amp; market-moves are not Cycles.</font>&nbsp;<font size=-1>Cycles
are repetative economical dips(recessions) that are also to be found in
the much longer time</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; frames, i.e.
>1 year, but mainly more, and are envoked by the economical rises &amp;
falls in the</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; over+over-again re-creation
of efficienct operating by world's largest companies in major industrial
sectors,</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and therefore later, by
the inevitable rises of Prices(inflation) and therfore the bonds Yields(Intrest
Rates).</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; E.g. where then a continuous
snowballing process is undergone by many of the important economic</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
sectors: when one sector comes down, it drags another related sector with
it in the downcollapse,</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and than
that 2nd sector will drag a third with it, and so on and so on, until the
recession levels are</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; been met, marking
the finishing end: the bottom (that's when it is easier for companies to
lay of</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; workers and shutdown factories
without predicise: the owners + unions + the general public by then</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
will have all been bashed that much and become familiar with the harsh
but fair "will to survive, and</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; therefore
offerings will have to be made" and are by then thus the (otherwise not)
"excepted solutions".</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The Heavy
Industries(just as an example) first go through a mild-then-heavy phase
of lower turnovers,</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; therefore also
getting lower revenues, therefore will also have to restructure and eventialy
will have</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to massively lay off workers
(to be able to survive) : i.e. the true example of a cyclic stock.</font>&nbsp;<font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Examples of cyclic stocks are :</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
-the Steel &amp; Iron (Heavy Metal) Industries</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
-the Mining &amp; Resources Industries</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
-the Oil Industry</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
-the Transportation Industry (Freight: Airliners, Sea-containers + Road-trucking)</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
-the Chemical+Pharmacy Industry</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
-the Financial Industry</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
-and of late the Chip Industry etc. etc.</font>&nbsp;<font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Examples of these cycles are the ones that have occured recently and in
the deeper farther past:</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - 1991-1992
(mild and envoked by first the economic tide and second: fired up by the
Gulf-war)</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - 1980-1982 (mild and
envoked by first the economic tide and second: the drop of the Gold +</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
the collapse of the Housing prices)</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
- 1970-1978 (strong and envoked by first the economic tide and second:
fired up by the Oil-crises price rise)</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
- 1929-1945 (heavy and envoked by first the economic tide and second: by
the collapse of the</font><font size=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
stockmarkets and by the continious 2nd WorldWar)</font>&nbsp;<font size=-1>What's
in a name you say? (eg cycles or waves or moves)</font><font size=-1>It
is were your basics starts. And were one is easy to be uncovered, could
be as a hoax too.</font><font size=-1>In computer-life this can also be
witnessed, eg type in the wrong name, give an enter and the wrong program</font><font size=-1>gets
started. On the web, type in a space or other digit(visable or invisable)
and the address will return only errors.</font>&nbsp;<font size=-1>In efficiency
&amp; in accuracy is too were you will find the Top notch of the large
bunch of (too simple) offerings.</font>&nbsp;<font size=-1>Get cracking
at the program's default Stochastics and now ALSO switch to Weekly data,
like</font><font size=-1>your friend the parrot did, and you will soon
find your beloved "discovery".</font><font size=-1>There has been a discussion
a few years ago, the oldies here on the List will remember this, about</font><font size=-1>how
to write that Weekly version of the program default Stoch(5,3) into an
Daily version, and</font><font size=-1>thus far no-one has ever succeeded.(The
Weekly performs its indicator line+buys&amp;sells signals</font><font size=-1>always
so SMOOTHLY).</font><font size=-1>Eventualy a SuperStochastics version
came out 2nd best, I believe.</font>&nbsp;<font size=-1>Do not take this
personaly, Songyun, I am not discusioning your tremendous input, but am
merely</font><font size=-1>uncovering that what could easely set of to
be the start of yet another hype (see at the top for more</font><font size=-1>examples
of man-made hypes).</font>&nbsp;
<br>Regards,
<br>Ton Maas
<br>ms-irb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<br>Dismiss the ".nospam" bit (including the dot) when replying.
<br>Homepage&nbsp; http://home.planet.nl/~anthmaas&nbsp;&nbsp;
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Songyun Fox</div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> zaterdag 29 juli 2000 16:04</div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> From Songyun - ref. Bressert
Cycle 5</div>
&nbsp;<b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1">Hello...</font></b>
<p><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1">I have attached 2 pic's of the
Cycle 5 indicator at work.</font></b>
<p><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1">I think this is an easy indicator
to use,&nbsp; and should be</font></b>
<br><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1">part of Equis/Metastock Quick
Indicator List.</font></b>
<p><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1">I offer this not to sell you
something,&nbsp; just you another easy</font></b>
<br><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1">and free way to pick short
term tops/bottoms.</font></b>
<p><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1">I also use the Envelope, located
on the indicator list.</font></b>
<br><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1">You can see how nicely it defines
recent tops and likely</font></b>
<br><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1">future bottoms....</font></b>
<p><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1">Kindest regards,</font></b>
<p><b><font face="Arial Narrow Special G1">Songyun</font></b>
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