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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>Ulrich
:</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>Thanks a lot for your
contribution.</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>The courses and the voice chat (
$500 a month) are looking quiet expensive .</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>Thx</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>Theo</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A href="mailto:uf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=uf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Ullrich
Fischer</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> March 30, 2000 6:51 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Best Trade Execution
(Personal Experience)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hi, Theo.<EM><FONT
color=#008080><STRONG><BR></STRONG></FONT></EM><BR>I've been using CyberTrader
for about 6 months now to varying degrees. It does give you incredibly
fast execution and is a great deal if you know what you're doing. Coming
from a web based brokerage, though, I found it helped me lose money faster
initially. Not from bad execution -- execution is excellent, but from
the ability to get into lots of bad trades really quickly. You get
access to the same execution systems that the Market Makers are using and can
get filled in milliseconds under some circumstances. If you're fast on
the keyboard you can always get a fill in under 20 seconds one way or another
at some price. They have a couple of automatic order routing systems
that actively seek out the best deal for you across all the various methods of
placing orders with the various ECNs and Market Makers. <BR><BR>I
discovered that the truly lousy execution I was getting from my web brokerage
(up to half an hour to get a fill in some cases) was protecting me from
overtrading. I took the two courses offered at <A
href="http://www.onlinetradingacademy.com/";
eudora="autourl">www.onlinetradingacademy.</A><A
href="http://www.onlinetradingacademy.com/"; eudora="autourl">com</A> (they
rebate the $3k tuition for each course through commission discounts at
Cyberbroker) and learned that using this software is not unlike learning to
fly a plane. It is very easy to crash and burn without proper
training. I'm now in the process of getting back into some real
daytrading using blow by blow commentary from the <A
href="http://www.onlinetradingacademy.com/";
eudora="autourl">www.onlinetradingacademy.com</A> virtual mentoring system aka
Strategic Training Center to help keep me on track with what I've learned at
the courses. The STC has a room full of computer monitors and two
traders who've instructed the OTA classes in the past and who now give blow by
blow interpretations of the level II screens of trades that either they or
other members of the STC subscriber base are in on a real time basis. It
is done with a web based voice chat system. For $250 a month you can
listen to this chat system and communicate with the instructors via a text
chat box. They also give you heads up on significant market moving
developments. Often market moving news will be announced by the STC 2 to
10 minutes before you hear about it on CNBC. They are using
CyberTrader software tied into a different datafeed from what you get from
Cybercorp, so when they call out the current level of the S&P futures
every few minutes, it give you a good idea as to whether or not your datafeed
is keeping up to date or not. For $500 a month you can participate in
the voice chat using your soundblaster compatible sound card, microphone, and
speakers. I find the text chat service is adequate.
During slow periods when viable trades are scarce, they do mini classes where
they use live examples to illustrate some of the key points covered in the OTA
courses. They give you a free 2 week trial period. I
highly recommend these services.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Ullrich <BR><BR>At 05:30
PM 3/29/00 +0200, you wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite">"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"> <BR> <BR><FONT face=arial
size=2>Ron,Dave, Guy and other listmembers :</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT
face=arial size=2>Thx for the info :</FONT><BR><FONT face=arial size=2>My
Datek experience is mixed : sometimes ok but for Daytraders :
Could</FONT><BR><FONT face=arial size=2>be a lot
better.</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=arial size=2>Has anyone expirience
with http://www.cybercorp.com
?</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=arial size=2>I tried the simulation and the
concept " Trading is war" looks agressive</FONT><BR><FONT face=arial
size=2>but there is something real in it :).</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT
face=arial size=2>Had frozen screens different times but again : the ability
to place -at the same time-</FONT><BR><FONT face=arial size=2>a stoploss
order and a sell order looks very promising or ?</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT
face=arial size=2>Theo
Lockefeer.</FONT><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite">----- Original Message ----- <BR><B>From:</B>
Guy Tann <BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<BR><B>Sent:</B> March 29, 2000 3:35 AM<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Best Trade
Execution (Personal Experience)<BR><BR><FONT color=#000080 face=arial
size=2>Dave<BR></FONT><BR><FONT color=#000080 face=arial
size=2> <BR></FONT><BR><FONT color=#000080 face=arial size=2>Why the
three accounts? We have our account with Schwab with a current
commission rate of $14.95 for up to 1,000 chares and $20.00 for up to
2,000 shares.<BR></FONT><BR><FONT color=#000080 face=arial
size=2> <BR></FONT><BR><FONT color=#000080 face=arial size=2>Our
primary concern is the protection of assets as opposed to saving $5 on a
$100,000 trade. Maybe we re a little paranoid (and that s why Glen
and I keep meeting on our firewall list </FONT><FONT color=#000080
face=wingdings size=2>J</FONT><FONT color=#000080 face=arial size=2>), but
when you have a fairly large balance, I think the first concern should be
the size and stability of the firm you re doing business with.
<BR></FONT><BR><FONT color=#000080 face=arial
size=2> <BR></FONT><BR><FONT color=#000080 face=arial size=2>I d be
interested in hearing any thoughts about firms and their ratings in terms
of protecting your assets first, then their execution
price.<BR></FONT><BR><FONT color=#000080 face=arial
size=2> <BR></FONT><BR><FONT color=#000080 face=arial size=2>What is
the best approach to measure stability in a brokerage firm? If the
NASDAQ drops 50% and the firms traders can t meet margin requirements, how
solid is the firm?<BR></FONT><BR><FONT color=#000080 face=arial
size=2> <BR></FONT><BR><FONT color=#000080>Guy<BR></FONT><BR><FONT
color=#000080 face="Times New Roman, Times"> <BR></FONT><BR><FONT
color=#000080 face=arial size=2> <BR></FONT><BR><FONT face=tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%5DOn";
eudora="autourl">mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]</A><A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%5DOn";
eudora="autourl"><B>On</A> Behalf Of </B>Dave Nadeau<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Saturday, March 25, 2000 8:45 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Best Trade Execution
(Personal Experience)<BR></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman, Times"> <BR></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman, Times">My experiences with Interactive Brokers has
been outstanding. The price for options is $1.90 per contract (no
mininum). Equities are $.01 or $1 per 100 (minimum $1). So the
price is good if you are doing smaller positions, and comparable if you
are doing 1000 shares or 10 options contracts. Orders go direct to
the exchange or pit, not through a broker. The software is somewhat
dated compared to many of the GUI applications but works reliably and
quickly. I haven't been successful with stop orders; this may be a
problem if you are not in or "near" the market while your positions are
open. <BR></FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times">I also have an
account with Track Data Corp. The software is good and executions
are fairly rapid. You are looking at $13 -$16 per trade for equities
and the low $20s for options. This is the account I use for my
intermediate positions when I have to have stop orders and will be away
from my positions for a while. <BR></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman, Times">I have a third account at Bidwell and
Co. The trading is browser based and routes through a broker so it
seems slower than the rest. They are in the $13-$16 range as
well. Service has always been excellent. <BR></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman, Times">For a complete listing with user comments
try this site, <A
href="http://www.sonic.net/donaldj/brokers.html";>http://www.sonic.net/donaldj/brokers.html</A>
I am in no way affiliated, but have found it very helpful in evaluating
brokers. <BR></FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times">Dave Nadeau
<BR></FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times">Ron Warshawsky wrote:
<BR></FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times"> </FONT><FONT
face=verdana size=2>Dear List members,</FONT> <FONT face=verdana
size=2> Can you please share, which internet broker provides you
with the best trade execution price (for the short term (2+ days)
positions).</FONT> <FONT face=verdana size=2>Regards and Thank you in
advance</FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>Thanks Michael
!</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A href="mailto:MikeSuesserott@xxxxxxxxxxx";
title=MikeSuesserott@xxxxxxxxxxx>Michael Suesserott</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> March 29, 2000 8:33 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Best Trade Execution
(Personal Experience)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080><SPAN
class=470193018-29032000>Hello!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080><SPAN
class=470193018-29032000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080><SPAN class=470193018-29032000>I posted the following
to the Omega list recently:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080><SPAN
class=470193018-29032000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080><SPAN
class=470193018-29032000>....................</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080><SPAN class=470193018-29032000></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=#000080 face="Comic Sans MS"><SPAN class=470193018-29032000><FONT
size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>As regards Cybercorp, I, too, have
an account there, and, basically, I love this broker! Great software,
especially in conjunction with Quote.com, unbelievably fast response times,
and friendly, helpful service.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<P> </P>
<P>One caveat, though: all stops are held on your own PC, and, if triggered
there, are sent from your PC as market orders. Although the software will do
that automatically, it is still the trader's responsibility to make sure that
the PC is up and running continuously (without crashes!), and that the
Internet connection is OK, for as many days and nights as the trade is on.</P>
<P><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>This is not consumer-friendly
!</EM></STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>Good of you to tell this :
did you contact cybercorp about this ? </EM></STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>Shouldnot be too difficult
(technical) to change this : they cannot expect that
you</EM></STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>are that long online can they
?</EM></STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>This alone would -for me-
be a very good reason NOT to become a client</EM></STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>Thanks again for this important
remark and please let me know if they change</EM></STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>this
pratice.</EM></STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>Good
trading</EM></STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>Theo
Lockefeer</EM></STRONG></FONT></P>
<P> </P>
<P> </P>
<P> </P>
<P> </P>
<P> </P>
<P> </P>
<P>Cybercorp just doesn't offer market-held stops. They see themselves as a
leading-edge day-trading outfit.</P>
<P>So if you do any longer term stock trading, and that means longer than one
market day, IMO this broker is not feasible, because all the responsibility to
actually place those market orders (you cannot technically call them stops) is
on your own shoulders.</P>
<P>Hope this helps.</P>
<P>Michael</P></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Theo E.M. Lockefeer<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 29, 2000
17:31<BR><B>To:</B> metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Best
Trade Execution (Personal Experience)<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ron,Dave, Guy and other listmembers
:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thx for the info :</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My Datek experience is mixed : sometimes ok but
for Daytraders : Could</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>be a lot better.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Has anyone expirience with <A
href="http://www.cybercorp.com";>http://www.cybercorp.com</A>
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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>Thanks Steve
!</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>another `five star` :
CHKP. </EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>But NASDAQ looks either going
sideways or DOWN rather then UP at this moment or ?</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>Theo
Lockefeer.</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>P.s. Could you please send some
info about the Metastock $1295 you are selling ?</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A href="mailto:kernish@xxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=kernish@xxxxxxxxxxxx>Steve
Karnish</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> ; <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> March 30, 2000 2:46 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Nasdaq-100</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>List,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It's been two weeks since I've seen a "cluster"
of quality Nasdaq-100 stocks scream to be bought. I'm recommending four
"five star" buys tomorrow: BVSN, ITWO, QLGC, & SDLI. The only
cautionary word is that: I've been short the June Nasdaq from 3/27/99 @
4788 and I need another down day to trigger a buy signal for the futures
contract. Two weeks ago, the six "five star" buy signals were supported
by a Nasdaq futures buy signal. Nasdaq-100 signals are generated by a
momentum oscillator and the "star rating"</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2> is a
measure of trend strength...determined by an series of weighted linear
regessions. All can be viewed, for your investment in time, at my
site.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steve Karnish<BR>Cedar Creek Trading<BR><A
href="http://www.cedarcreektrading.com";>http://www.cedarcreektrading.com</A></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Dynastorelight costs $250. www.dynastorelight.com
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From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Henry Amand
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 01:11
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Subject: Re: Latest changes / other data vendors
> Are other data vendors **now** being supported? Specifically,
Quote.com's
> QFeed?
If not, (and probably not) there are 3 aplications i know of that can
"fix"
that problem.
Metaserver www.traders-soft.com
Costs $69 tot $99 Different versions for different feeds.
Demo can be downloaded.
(this works great by the way. Personal experience)
Dynastore Light http://204.50.139.116/
Costs $250 to $299. Different versions for different feeds.
Demo can be downloaded
Omnicom www.eurobooster.com
Seems to cost $1000 there but i have heard rumors that
it is also sold for some $395 but you have to contact the
vendor for that (or the developer) Same version for all
feeds. Requieres a serial cable to work. (others don't)
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