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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>HHP :</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>Thanks a lot 
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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>THEO 
L.</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: HHP &lt;<A 
href="mailto:hhp@xxxxxxxx";>hhp@xxxxxxxx</A>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: &lt;<A 
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: March 16, 2000 9:37 AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: Stop Loss</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&gt; Theo,<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Here's a bit 
of the text.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; "For long trades, subtract the amount 3*ATR(10) 
from the highest high<BR>&gt; over the last 10 days.&nbsp; We'll call this 
quantity our preliminary long<BR>&gt; stop.&nbsp; Finally, use the highest value 
of the preliminary stop over the<BR>&gt; last 20 days as the actual stop for 
long trades.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; For short trades, add the amount 3*ATR(10) to the 
lowest low of the last<BR>&gt; 10 days, calling this quantity our preliminary 
short stop.&nbsp; Finally, use<BR>&gt; the lowest value of the preliminary short 
stop over the last 20 days as<BR>&gt; the actual stop for short trades."<BR>&gt; 
<BR>&gt; Chande goes on to suggest experimenting with the multiplier and the 
time<BR>&gt; periods to suit the stop to your trading vehicle and style.<BR>&gt; 
<BR>&gt; I kept Chande's terminology, so you can easily verify my coding.&nbsp; 
<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; As to whether one is above or below the other, I would say it 
is not<BR>&gt; relevant because only one can apply at a time.&nbsp; The point is 
to have a<BR>&gt; stop that follows the trend but strikes a balance between 
being close<BR>&gt; enough that you don't take large losses yet far enough away 
that you<BR>&gt; don't get bounced out too easily.&nbsp; There are several ways 
to define a<BR>&gt; trend and you could write code to switch between between the 
two.&nbsp; That<BR>&gt; would not be very different from Andrew Abraham's 
"Trading the Trend"<BR>&gt; (TAS&amp;C 9/98) which was resurrected on this list 
recently.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; HHP<BR>&gt; ==============================<BR>&gt; 
<BR>&gt; &gt; "Theo E.M. Lockefeer" wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; 
&gt; ----- Original Message -----<BR>&gt; &gt; From: HHP &lt;<A 
href="mailto:hhp@xxxxxxxx";>hhp@xxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; To: &lt;<A 
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; 
&gt; Sent: March 15, 2000 11:25 PM<BR>&gt; &gt; Subject: Re: Stop Loss<BR>&gt; 
&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Theo,<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Use the 'short 
one' when you would sell short - i.e. in downtrends,<BR>&gt; &gt; and<BR>&gt; 
&gt; &gt; the 'long one' in uptrends.&nbsp; Stay out of the market or use 
something<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; else when things are flat.<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; 
&gt; HHP :<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; That i understand but can you answer my 2 
questions please ?<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1)&nbsp; Can you 
please give additional explanation ?<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; 2)&nbsp; When i 
plot the short one it's below the long one<BR>&gt; 
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; in general : is that ok 
?<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Thx Theo.<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; 
&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; HHP<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; =======================<BR>&gt; 
&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; "Theo E.M. Lockefeer" wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks HHP&nbsp; !<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt; Can you please give additional explanation ?<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; When i plot the short one it's below the long one<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; in 
general : is that ok ?<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
Thx.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Theo Lockefeer.<BR>&gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
----- Original Message -----<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; From: HHP &lt;<A 
href="mailto:hhp@xxxxxxxx";>hhp@xxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; To: 
&lt;<A 
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: March 15, 2000 6:36 AM<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: Re: 
Stop Loss<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Here's a stoploss 
from Chande &amp; Kroll's The New Technical Trader<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
p.167,<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 'Volatility-Based Trailing Stops'.&nbsp; 
There are three input<BR>&gt; &gt; variables<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; to<BR>&gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; play with.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; {Volatility Stop (Long)}<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Pds1:= Input("ATR 
Lookback?",2,100,10);<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Mult:= Input("ATR 
Multiplier?",1,20,3);<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Pds2:= Input("HHV 
Lookback?",2,100,20);<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; PrelimStop:= HHV(H,Pds1) - 
ATR(Pds1)*Mult;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ActualStop:= 
HHV(PrelimStop,Pds2);<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ActualStop<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; {Volatility Stop (Short)}<BR>&gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt; Pds1:= Input("ATR Lookback?",2,100,10);<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; Mult:= Input("ATR Multiplier?",1,20,3);<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Pds2:= 
Input("LLV Lookback?",2,100,20);<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; PrelimStop:= 
LLV(L,Pds1) + ATR(Pds1)*Mult;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ActualStop:= 
LLV(PrelimStop,Pds2);<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ActualStop<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; HHP<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
=========================<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; Simon Roberts wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt; wally,<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; can't quite figure how 
this will work. if you&nbsp; leave the stop<BR>&gt; &gt; at<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; 80% of your<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; close it will work well all 
the way up; it won't ever trigger;<BR>&gt; &gt; but<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; on 
the<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; way down, it will carry on down beneath 
you, in a comforting<BR>&gt; &gt; sort<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; of way.<BR>&gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; It's a bit like hanging out a sell now sign on the end 
of a<BR>&gt; &gt; rope<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; hanging<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; from your hot air balloon, you only catch up with it when you<BR>&gt; 
&gt; hit<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; the<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
ground.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; one 
way to plot some price offsets is with the moving average<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
indicator,<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; which is on the toolbar, indicator 
quicklist, which lets you<BR>&gt; &gt; input<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; say 1 
day<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; average, at any displacement from the 
price, up down and or<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; sideways.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; Simon<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; -----Original Message-----<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; From: j seed 
&lt;jseed_10@xxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>&gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; To: <A 
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> &lt;<A 
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Date: 14 March 2000 16:04<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; Subject: Re: Stop Loss<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Wallie,<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Pie of cake! 
First go to the Indicator Builder...click on<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; new...name 
your<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;new indicator(Wallie's 20% Stop Loss 
Indicator). Now the hard<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; part...how<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;does your original indicator plot? Is it an oscillator or 
a<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; simple line<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;study? 
Oscillators plot above and below a specific point<BR>&gt; &gt; usually<BR>&gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt; zero. Line<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;studies plot 
price values. If you are willing to accept a<BR>&gt; &gt; value<BR>&gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; that is 80%<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;of your original 
indicator value then go to functions and<BR>&gt; &gt; select<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; your<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;indicator (ie. let's use 
CCI(14)...) Finally, we want a value<BR>&gt; &gt; of<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 80% 
so<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;we'll multiply by .80 . So here's your 
indicator:<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;W20SLI<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt;CCI(14) * .80<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;You may also want to use the other side of the equation 
by<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; multiplying by<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt;120%; so your indicator would be:<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;CCI(14) * 1.20<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;You can plot both lines at 
the same time in the same<BR>&gt; &gt; indciator by<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
defining<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;them in an indicator as 
follows:<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt;{W20SLI}<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;MINUS:= CCI(14) * .80;<BR>&gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;PLUS:= CCI(14) * 1.20;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt;MINUS;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;PLUS;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Okay, we've helped you 
and now it's your turn to help us!<BR>&gt; &gt; Share<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; the 
results<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;of what you get!<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;J.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;From: "Norman Walsh" &lt;<A 
href="mailto:nwalsh@xxxxxxxxxxx";>nwalsh@xxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;Reply-To: <A 
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR>&gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;To: &lt;<A 
href="mailto:metastock-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;Subject: Stop Loss<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt;&gt;Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:47:02 -0000<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;Hi<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;As a new comer to metastock I would like to know how to 
plot<BR>&gt; &gt; an<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Indicator<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;20% below a line chart, as a stop loss. Also how to start 
it<BR>&gt; &gt; at<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; a specific<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt;&gt;date.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;Thanks in advance.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;wallie.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
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Daniel,

Please explain why, when I receive your posts, some of your posts have a
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> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Weekly Picks/Family Email
> Date: Thursday, March 16, 2000 8:18 AM
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