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<DIV><FONT size=2>Teo,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;Thanks a lot. Yes, this quote was taken after hours. Can 
someone explain, what is the reason of this?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp; Ron Warshawsky</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>----- Original Message ----- </FONT></DIV>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A href="mailto:sky40912@xxxxxxxxx"; title=sky40912@xxxxxxxxx>Theo E.M. 
  Lockefeer</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
  title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 08, 2000 10:22 
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Sell order placement 
  help</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>Ron 
  :</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>How late did you 
  notice&nbsp;this : if it was after market (10:57)</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>this is often done by the 
  market maker i think :&nbsp; just to let you</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>know that&nbsp; the market 
  stopped for that quote&nbsp; that day.</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>I noticed this many times 
  (also in the early morning next day)</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>Do not let it mislead and 
  frighten you by this (strange ?) practice</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>Wait in the early morning 
  always when you see this until normal</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>quote changes take 
  place.</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#008080 
  face=Arial><STRONG><EM>Theo.</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: Daniel Martinez &lt;<A 
  href="mailto:DanM@xxxxxxxxxx";>DanM@xxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: &lt;<A 
  href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: March 08, 2000 8:47 AM</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: Sell order placement 
  help</FONT></DIV></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&gt; Ron,<BR>&gt; Sure, send me one 
  ticker.&nbsp; I'll take a look at it.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Daniel.<BR>&gt; 
  <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Ron Warshawsky wrote:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; 
  Daniel,&nbsp;&nbsp; I can send you the stock's ticker, so you can 
  check<BR>&gt; &gt; it. Looks like NASDAQ does not heard about SEC reform. I 
  have a<BR>&gt; &gt; wide list of such a stocks right in front of me. Thanks 
  for<BR>&gt; &gt; answering ----- Original Message -----<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; From: Daniel Martinez<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; To: <A 
  href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR>&gt; 
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 10:57 
  PM<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Subject: Re: Sell order 
  placement help<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Are you sure 
  your data is correct?&nbsp; The spread here<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; is 1 3/4.&nbsp; That's quite high.&nbsp; In 
  1997, before the<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; market makers were 
  forced to reform by the SEC, such<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  spreads were common.&nbsp; Now it's fairly unusual.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You sell/buy by the bid/ask price.&nbsp; 
  The quoted<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; price/high/low of the 
  day is sort of an average of<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the 
  bid/ask price.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  Daniel.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  Ron Warshawsky wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; 
  Symbol&nbsp; Bid Ask&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Last&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  Change&nbsp; High<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; 
  Low&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Volume<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; STOCK 10&nbsp; 11 3/4 11 1/4 -1 13/16 13 
  11/32&nbsp; 10<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; 15/16&nbsp; 
  361,700<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Dear list participants,<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  &gt;&nbsp; As you can see, above stock has bid price (10),<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; which is lower than the low<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; price of the day (10 15/16). Can you please 
  advice<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; me, what stock order 
  must<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; be used in order to sell this 
  stock if price will<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; drop to 10 13/16 
  or lower,<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; but not at 10 (what market 
  sell order will do).<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Regards and thanks a lot in advance.<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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I'm trading with their money. :)


Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Jim Greening
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 8:05 PM
To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: latest family e-mail

Guy,
     Yes, but I'm running scared and your not <G>.

JimG

----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Tann" <grt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 4:58 PM
Subject: RE: latest family e-mail


> JimG
>
> The longer I trade, the more I learn.
>
> With your methodology for selecting stocks and setting stops, even in a
down
> market, you have demonstrated the ability to make a silk purse out of a
> sow's ear. :)
>
> This is why it's such a great business.  We can both be right!
>
> Guy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Jim Greening
> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 5:03 PM
> To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: latest family e-mail
>
> Guy,
>       It sure looks like you made a great call this time.  As you said,
it's
> easy to understand how you're making money on this go around, but I'm
amazed
> that I'm still doing great on the long side with ARBA, CMRC, and QLGC and
> not bad with BBH, JDSU, and SDL.  However, I am running scared and
> tightening my stops every night <G>.
>
> JimG
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Guy Tann" <grt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Metastock" <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 8:09 PM
> Subject: latest family e-mail
>
>
> > List,
> >
> > Here's our latest market e-mail to the family with a spreadsheet showing
> all
> > trades since we started sending this message out (October 11, 1999) to
> > family and a few associates of my brother (involved in his startup or
> other
> > business deals).  What's interesting is that we can short the S&P
futures,
> > the DIA, SPY and the QQQ and make money on all of these positions, while
> > traders working with particular stocks can still make money while
trading
> > opposite our position.  Right, JimG?
> >
> > Even though our initial margin is $4,688 per contract (for one S&P mini
> > contract), we maintain a balance of $14,064 per contract.  We do this to
> > limit our Risk of Ruin to 0% as opposed to the 100% we used to run (and
> > proved right too many times).  In order to calculate our "real" return,
> you
> > would have to assume an investment of $14,064 instead of $4,688.  This
> would
> > give you a net return of 119% since October 11, 1999 (approximately 5
> > months).  Again, this calculates out to be a 285.6% annual return on
> > investment, which isn't too shabby considering you have 2/3 of your
money
> > tied up in TBills.  You should also add in any interest income on the
> > approximately $10,000 in excess margin in your account.  I have decided
to
> > drop this from our calculations and consider it just gravy.
> >
> > Depending upon your own personal aversion to risk, you could
substantially
> > increase your annual return by reducing the balance you maintain per
> > contract.  We have chosen to err on the side of caution and to maintain
a
> 0%
> > Risk of Ruin for our personal trading.
> >
> > Guy
> >
> >
> >
>
>