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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>Barry and All 
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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>I tried your variant and i think 
</EM></STRONG></FONT><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>it's certainly 
usefull&nbsp; to have</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>a line as an orientation&nbsp; 
"point" (general level is often</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>too low for me but that we can 
discuss)</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>Maybe it's possible that we 
start a general </EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>Stoploss 
Discussion.</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>As a start : some general 
questions /remarks.</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>( if you have other remarks or 
questions&nbsp;and answers</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>&nbsp;&nbsp; especially answers 
:)&nbsp;go ahead)</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>1) you enter a 
position.</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>2)&nbsp; What stoploss level 
should we take ?</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>3)&nbsp; Is it necessary to 
place a stoploss-order</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
immediately after the entry OR :</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
do we choose a SELL order immediately after</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
the entry ? Why ?&nbsp; at which level ?</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
do we use pivot points ?</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>4)&nbsp; The trailing stop 
:&nbsp; </EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<FONT 
color=#008080 size=3><STRONG><EM>purpose of the trailing stop : to maintain 
some</EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
percentage ( how much ? variable) of the profit.</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ( only 
after a target level of profit is reached).</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT color=#008080 
size=3><STRONG><EM>example :&nbsp; entry :&nbsp; 
50</EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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face=Arial><STRONG><EM>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
stoploss-level :&nbsp; 47&nbsp; (?)</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
<FONT color=#008080 size=3><STRONG><EM>target-level :&nbsp;&nbsp; 55 
(?)</EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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face=Arial><STRONG><EM>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
percentage of profit to maintain : 60 (?)</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; on day 
7 the target level is reached&nbsp; (55) </EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT color=#008080 
size=3><STRONG><EM>now we determine the trailing stop 
:</EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 60% 
of&nbsp; 55-50&nbsp; is&nbsp; $3&nbsp; so trailing stoplevel : 
53.</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>5)&nbsp; How to implement a 
trailingstop level in Metastock ?</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
is it possible with lines on the chart ?</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>6) how can we use a partical but 
systematical approach to the</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
stoploss questions ?</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>7)&nbsp; Which level should we 
use as SELL level ?&nbsp; Why ?</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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face=Arial><STRONG><EM>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>8) things to avoid :&nbsp; too 
many stoploss exits.</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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face=Arial><STRONG><EM>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
too low exit&nbsp; (too little profit).</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>Hope i did start a usefull 
discussion.</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#008080 face=Arial><STRONG><EM>Theo 
Lockefeer.</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: Barry Marx &lt;<A 
href="mailto:bmarx@xxxxxxxxx";>bmarx@xxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: &lt;<A 
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: February 21, 2000 3:23 AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: Formula Question</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&gt; Below is a variation of the 
Chandelier Exit that I came up with.&nbsp; It doesn't<BR>&gt; solve the original 
question, but I like the way it plots better.&nbsp; It holds<BR>&gt; the<BR>&gt; 
highest value every time the stop moves up, and never moves lower unless<BR>&gt; 
the stop is hit, in which case its value is reset.<BR>&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp; - 
Barry<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Stop1:=If( PREV &lt; L,<BR>&gt; &nbsp; {then}&nbsp; If(( 
H - 3*ATR(10) ) &gt;= PREV,<BR>&gt; 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; {then} ( H - 
3*ATR(10) ),<BR>&gt; 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; {else} 
PREV),<BR>&gt; &nbsp; {else (L &lt;= PREV)}<BR>&gt; 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ( H - 3*ATR(10) 
));<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Stop2:=If( PREV &lt; L,<BR>&gt; &nbsp; {then}&nbsp; If(( C 
- 2.5*ATR(10) ) &gt;= PREV,<BR>&gt; 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; {then} ( C - 
2.5*ATR(10) ),<BR>&gt; 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; {else} 
PREV),<BR>&gt; &nbsp; {else&nbsp; (L &lt;= PREV)}<BR>&gt; 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ( C - 2.5*ATR(10) 
));<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; StopVal:=If(Stop1&gt;Stop2,Stop1,Stop2);<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 
StopVal;<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; </FONT></BODY></HTML>
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From: "David Bozkurtian" <dbozkurtian@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: moving average discrepancies
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Joseph,

I think I had the same problem the first week I was working with Metastock. 
When you drop the indicator on the graph, make sure that you select Merge 
Scale at right with the price graph. Mine was creating its own scale on the 
left and the graphs were wacky. Hope this helps.

David


From: "Joseph Zilaitis" <jzilaiti@xxxxxxx>
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To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: moving average discrepancies
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 11:39:59 -0500

I know this question was asked some time ago but I can't find the answer in 
my archives. When plotting simple moving averages[50,200,etc] I'm getting 
results that differ when compared to identical simple moving averages 
plotted by other programs. The other comparisons are identical with each 
other but differ by a wide margin when compared to MetaStock's . Is this a 
problem with my software or am I incorrectly plotting this average somehow? 
Could it be an incorrect default setting for an ending date or what? Thank 
you.

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