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<DIV><SPAN class=860460822-14011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
size=2>Ken</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=860460822-14011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=860460822-14011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>That 
last leg is dynamic.&nbsp; The problem, as you state, is determining when it 
quits being dynamic.&nbsp; That happens after a change in direction, therefore 
you will always be a day late and a dollar short :).&nbsp; If I remember 
correctly, somewhere in the MetaStock manual is a disclaimer about using the Zig 
Zag indicator.&nbsp; Found that after I wasted a ton of time working with it. 
:)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=860460822-14011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=860460822-14011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
size=2>Guy</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=860460822-14011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE 
style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
    <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
    size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> 
    owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<B>On 
    Behalf Of</B> divenfish@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 14, 
    1999 9:47 AM<BR><B>To:</B> metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: 
    Zero Balance<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>&nbsp; <BR>I believe the last leg is always 
    dynamic. <BR>Don't hold me to any of the following, but if I remember 
    correctly, the last peak or trough is dynamic until price exceeds or equals 
    the user specified Zig Zag points or percentage.&nbsp; In the case of a 
    potential Zig Zag trough &quot;\/&quot; of say 1 point&nbsp; [Zig(LOW,1,$)], 
    a subsequent bar's low would have to exceed or equal the low of the trough 
    in question by the minimum user defined value, in this case 1 point.&nbsp; 
    Once this has occurred, that trough becomes static, or locked 
    in.&nbsp;&nbsp; So if the low of the potential trough is 50, the trough 
    would be established once a subsequent bar's low equals or exceeds 51. 
    <P>If using a 1 point Zig Zag of the close [Zig(CLOSE,1,$)], the trough in 
    question would become static once a subsequent bar's close has exceeded, by 
    1 point, the lowest close of the trough in question. <BR>But...I'd advise 
    you to check it out for yourself because I wouldn't want to lead you astray. 
    :) <BR>You can create an indicator or two to define at what value this will 
    happen or when it has happened.&nbsp; Or an expert to color the bars. 
    <P>The following uses 1 point and Low as the input, and should plot a 1 when 
    the 1 point <BR>Zig Zag trough [Zig(L,1,$)] in question is is no longer 
    dynamic: <BR>L&gt;=Trough(1,Zig(L,1,$),.001) + 1&nbsp;&nbsp; {This uses less 
    code and seems to work similar 
    <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    to what I had been using, but I have not thoroughly 
    <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    checked it out.} 
    <P>The following, which uses 1 percent, not 1 point, should plot a 1 when 
    the 1% trough <BR>[Trough(1 ,L ,1 )] in question is is no longer dynamic: 
    <BR>L &gt;= Trough(1 ,L ,1 ) * 1.01 
    <P>The same logic could be applied to the Zig Zag of the close. <BR>Please 
    let me know if what I've said is wrong. 
    <P>Ken <BR>-- <BR><A 
    href="mailto:divenfish@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:divenfish@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> 
    <BR>&nbsp; 
    <P>Adam Hefner wrote: 
    <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE = CITE>Lionel, <BR>My understanding of the Zig-Zag is 
        that the last leg and possibly the <BR>last zig/zag (peak/trough) could 
        also be dynamic. Of course there <BR>comes a point when the last zig/zag 
        (peak/trough) is no longer dynamic, <BR>but how do you determine when 
        this happens? <BR>&nbsp;As for the Zero Balance indicator....if there is 
        enough interest in this <BR>indicator, I&nbsp; could revise it. I have 
        learned a few tricks since I <BR>programmed <BR>it, and have been 
        thinking of replacing the Zig Zag with a modified <BR>&quot;Dunnigan 
        Trend&quot; method or something similar. 
        <P>&nbsp; Best wishes, <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Adam Hefner. 
        <BR>VonHef@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <BR>VonHef@xxxxxxxxxx 
        <P>--------------------------------------- <BR>-----Original 
        Message----- <BR>From: Lionel and Gail Issen 
        &lt;lissen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt; <BR>To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        &lt;metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt; <BR>Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 
        11:57 PM <BR>Subject: Re: Zero Balance 
        <P>&gt;Isnt it just the last leg of the zig-zag indicator that changes 
        daily? <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;Lionel Issen <BR>&gt;-----Original Message----- 
        <BR>&gt;From: The Lurker &lt;rcbarlow@xxxxxxx&gt; <BR>&gt;To: 
        metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx &lt;metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt; <BR>&gt;Date: 
        Wednesday, January 13, 1999 6:00 PM <BR>&gt;Subject: Re: Zero Balance 
        <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&gt;Guy Tann wrote: <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; 
        <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; Randy <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; You want to 
        stay away from that Zig Zag indicator.&nbsp; It changes daily. 
        <BR>&gt;The <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; value for today's date may or may not be 
        the same as today's value <BR>&gt;tomorrow. <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; 
        <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; I developed a dyn-o-mite system several years ago 
        before my dad looked <BR>at <BR>&gt;it <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; and started 
        laughing his head off.&nbsp; That system was 100% accurate, but 
        <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; there's nothing like 20-20 hindsight. <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; 
        <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; Guy <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; 
        -----Original Message----- <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; From: 
        owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; [<A 
        href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>]On 
        Behalf Of The Lurker <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Sent: Saturday, January 09, 
        1999 6:27 PM <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Subject: Re: Zero Balance <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; 
        <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Adam Hefner wrote: 
        <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp; Hello Randy, 
        <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; I'm not sure what the problem is, but I 
        suspect it has to do <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; with the the ZigZag 
        function. The default value is 5%, but <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; I'm 
        not exactly sure what the &quot;5%&quot; is based on (does some- 
        <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; one else know?), all I know is that it is 
        based on the price <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; in some way. Below you 
        will find an updated version that <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; allows the 
        &quot;%&quot; amount to be chosen. Have you found any <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; 
        &gt; &gt; benefit from this indicator? I personally found it to be a 
        <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; little unreliable, but perhaps someone has 
        found useful. <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; 
        &gt;________________________________CUT________________________________ 
        <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; 
        &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
        Adam Hefner <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Adam, <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; 
        &gt; &gt;I am not at all familiar with Metastock programming although I 
        use <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Metastock 6.5(6.52), but my question 
        is:&nbsp; Why does the above code <BR>&gt;not <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; 
        &gt;work on Financials such as Jap Yen, Swiss Franc, Br Pound, etc? 
        <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Is there another way to code this to work 
        on Currencies? <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; 
        &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
        Thanks <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; 
        &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
        Randy <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Adam &amp; all, <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; I am 
        trying to combine this with a couple of indicators for testing 
        <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; buy/sell signals but it will not work on 
        currencies.&nbsp; Does anyone else <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; out there know 
        if the Zig function is what is keeping it from working <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; 
        &gt; on Currencies? <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; 
        &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
        thanks, <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; 
        &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
        Randy <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt;&gt;Guy, I'm glad I got your message 
        today.&nbsp; I was going to start trading <BR>&gt;&gt;it on the open 
        tommorrow morning.&nbsp; Guess I'll regroup. 
        <BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
        Thanks, 
        <BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
        Randy <BR>&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;</P></BLOCKQUOTE><A 
    href="mailto:divenfish@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";></A><BR>&nbsp; </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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From: "Guy Tann" <grtann@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: RE: Zero Balance
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Lionel

I think you're right here.  The problem is determining when you've reached
that last point on the leg, since you can't rely on today's value in any
calculations.  Unless this is the last point, you won't know whether you can
use the number or not until the next day.  A $ short and a day late :).
Makes it a little hard to trade unless you develop a leading indicator
(really leading).

Guy


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Lionel and Gail Issen
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 8:56 PM
> To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Zero Balance
>
>
> Isnt it just the last leg of the zig-zag indicator that changes daily?
>
> Lionel Issen
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Lurker <rcbarlow@xxxxxxx>
> To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 6:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Zero Balance
>
>
> >Guy Tann wrote:
> >>
> >> Randy
> >>
> >> You want to stay away from that Zig Zag indicator.  It changes daily.
> The
> >> value for today's date may or may not be the same as today's value
> tomorrow.
> >>
> >> I developed a dyn-o-mite system several years ago before my
> dad looked at
> it
> >> and started laughing his head off.  That system was 100% accurate, but
> >> there's nothing like 20-20 hindsight.
> >>
> >> Guy
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of The Lurker
> >> > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 1999 6:27 PM
> >> > To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > Subject: Re: Zero Balance
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Adam Hefner wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >  Hello Randy,
> >> > > I'm not sure what the problem is, but I suspect it has to do
> >> > > with the the ZigZag function. The default value is 5%, but
> >> > > I'm not exactly sure what the "5%" is based on (does some-
> >> > > one else know?), all I know is that it is based on the price
> >> > > in some way. Below you will find an updated version that
> >> > > allows the "%" amount to be chosen. Have you found any
> >> > > benefit from this indicator? I personally found it to be a
> >> > > little unreliable, but perhaps someone has found useful.
> >> > >________________________________CUT________________________________
> >> >                      Adam Hefner
> >> > > >Adam,
> >> > > >I am not at all familiar with Metastock programming although I use
> >> > > >Metastock 6.5(6.52), but my question is:  Why does the above code
> not
> >> > > >work on Financials such as Jap Yen, Swiss Franc, Br Pound, etc?
> >> > > >Is there another way to code this to work on Currencies?
> >> > > >                              Thanks
> >> > > >                               Randy
> >> > Adam & all,
> >> > I am trying to combine this with a couple of indicators for testing
> >> > buy/sell signals but it will not work on currencies.  Does
> anyone else
> >> > out there know if the Zig function is what is keeping it from working
> >> > on Currencies?
> >> >                               thanks,
> >> >                             Randy
> >> >
> >Guy, I'm glad I got your message today.  I was going to start trading
> >it on the open tommorrow morning.  Guess I'll regroup.
> >                      Thanks,
> >                     Randy
> >
>