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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Hi Bill,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>&nbsp;Yes I'll post it, just 
let me clean it up a little first (to make it readable).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I'll try to post on Tuesday or Wednesday.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Best 
wishes,<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
Adam Hefner<BR>e-mail:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A 
href="mailto:VonHef@xxxxxxxxxx";>VonHef@xxxxxxxxxx</A></FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From: 
    </B>Bill Saxon &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:bsaxon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>bsaxon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>To: 
    </B>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>Date: 
    </B>Sunday, October 25, 1998 10:46 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: Point &amp; 
    Figure charts.<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>Adam,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>I am just getting interested in point and figure.&nbsp; I 
    would use it to trade stocks.&nbsp; I didn't realize MS had this 
    deficiency.&nbsp; Would you post the indicator you mention?</FONT></DIV>
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        <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original 
        Message-----</B><BR><B>From: </B>Von Hef &lt;<A 
        href="mailto:VonHef@xxxxxxxxxx";>VonHef@xxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>To: 
        </B>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        &lt;<A 
        href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>Date: 
        </B>Sunday, October 25, 1998 10:24 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: Point &amp; 
        Figure charts.<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
        <DIV><FONT size=2>Hello Guy,</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp; Thanks for your comments! I also work with 
        commodities and futures contracts and understand what you mean by 
        the</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=2>&quot;feel&quot; </FONT><FONT size=2>of the box size. 
        The changing of the box and reversal amount is what&nbsp; Murphy 
        describes in his book as &quot;Optimized </FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=2>Point &amp; Figure&quot;. He describes a study that 
        showed, (from optimizing ) that the % of profitable trades improved from 
        41% </FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=2>to 66% and the return on margin doubled from 100% to 
        199% ........ these test were performed in a 135 day 
period.</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp; These numbers are what first generated my 
        interest with the method, but I also like the easy to &quot;read&quot; 
        support and </FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=2>resistance levels. On the negative side, most 
        indicators are written for bar charts and MetaStock isn't designed to 
        run </FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=2>P&amp;F </FONT><FONT size=2>systems test. For this 
        reason I have written an indicator that emulates P&amp;F on a bar chart, 
        with the goal of designing</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=2>a system ( hopefully ) around the indicator. This way 
        I can test different &quot;Box and Reversal&quot; amounts and generate 
        buy and </FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=2>sell signals. </FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;Happy trading,</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT 
        size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
        Adam Hefner.</FONT></DIV>
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            <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original 
            Message-----</B><BR><B>From: </B>Guy Tann &lt;<A 
            href="mailto:grtann@xxxxxxxxxxx";>grtann@xxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>To: 
            </B><A 
            href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> 
            &lt;<A 
            href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>Date: 
            </B>Saturday, October 24, 1998 4:43 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>RE: Point 
            &amp; Figure charts.<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
            <DIV><SPAN class=110182221-24101998><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
            size=2>Adam</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
            <DIV><SPAN class=110182221-24101998><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
            size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV><SPAN class=110182221-24101998><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
            size=2>I used to use P&amp;F years ago.&nbsp; The key, as I recall 
            was in determining the correct box size for each, in my case, 
            futures contract.&nbsp; I would assume that's true with equities, as 
            the size of the move, volatility, etc., changes for each stock, 
            option, futures contract, etc.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
            <DIV><SPAN class=110182221-24101998><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
            size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV><SPAN class=110182221-24101998><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
            size=2>This box size would determine where you would plot reversals, 
            etc.&nbsp; 30-40 years ago, it was trial and error.&nbsp; I would 
            suspect that with the tools available today, you could experiment 
            with this and see how you like it.&nbsp; Has a lot to do with 
            'feel'.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
            <DIV><SPAN class=110182221-24101998><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
            size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV><SPAN class=110182221-24101998><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
            size=2>Guy</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
            <DIV><SPAN class=110182221-24101998><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
            size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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                <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
                size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> 
                owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<B>On Behalf Of</B> Von 
                Hef<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 24, 1998 8:06 
                AM<BR><B>To:</B> Metastock<BR><B>Subject:</B> Point &amp; Figure 
                charts.<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
                <DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;I have been reading John Murphy's 
                &quot;Technical Analysis Of The Futures Markets&quot; 
                and</FONT></DIV>
                <DIV><FONT size=2>he has written 2 chapters on Point and Figure 
                charts, the first deals with intra-day charts,</FONT></DIV>
                <DIV><FONT size=2>and the second deals with end of the day and 
                what he calls &quot;Optimized&quot; charts.</FONT></DIV>
                <DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;These trading methods have been used for 
                years in stocks and futures markets, and for this</FONT></DIV>
                <DIV><FONT size=2>reason I ask the following 
                question:</FONT></DIV>
                <DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
                <DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Does anyone on this list 
                use or ever used P&amp;F in there trading decisions? If so 
                how?</FONT></DIV>
                <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
                <DIV><FONT size=2>Thanks in advance,</FONT></DIV>
                <DIV><FONT 
                size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
                Adam Hefner.</FONT></DIV>
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i downloded the demo & see how it works.
i will keep you posted.

mike arnoldi