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From: "Richard Estes" <rtestes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: Jurik's AMA
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My understanding of Fibonacci  numbers, as based on his work,  would not
include 14 or 91, but are specific set numbers.

0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, 233, 377, 610, 987, etc.

I choose a fib number for my periods to bring about standardization in the
process. While I might vary the chosen periods according to the cycle I
choose to follow, the use of fib numbers denote my belief there is something
of nature in those numbers.

http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibnat.html

Is there magic in the numbers or the golden mean? I am not sure, but why not
keep everything on your side. The use of Fib retracements  and extensions
(ratios) certainly plays a role in each of my trades and in Ewave theory.


Richard Estes


-----Original Message-----
From: Lionel Issen <lissen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: : Richard Estes <rtestes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, September 21, 1998 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: Jurik's AMA


>Richard:
>
>Thanks for your posting.,  I did overlook the usefulness of the displaced
>moving average.
>
>The fib series that has been discussed on this listserver starts with 0, 1.
>A fib series can start with any pair of numbers.   Start with 14 (the
>default value for rsi and stoch) and 21 (a number I like to use) then 91
>becomes a fib #. I guess what I am trying to say is that  89 is a Fibonacci
>number only if it is part of a Fibonacci series. Hence you could use 90 for
>your moving average and get similar signals.
>
>Moving averages of 87 to93, and oscillator parameters in the same range
keep
>coming up  in systems optimization tests. So your finding that 190 is a
>major cycle period at this time is verified.
>
>Regards
>
>Lionel
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard Estes <rtestes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Cc: : Walter Lake <wlake@xxxxxxxxx>
>Date: Monday, September 21, 1998 12:42 AM
>Subject: Re: Jurik's AMA
>
>
>>A moving average should be tied in some way to 1/2 the major cycle
lengths.
>>If you feel as I do that 180 is a major cycle then 89 ma would capture the
>>desired cycle and maintain a fibonacci component. If you used a very fast
>>Time Series MA to keep in close to price to reduce risk, you might want to
>>Displace it forward by 8days to slow it down a nudge.
>>
>>Yes, you can change periods trying to get close to a good MA but you sure
>>need to standardize. If any MA works for you fine, but don't fit the ma or
>>change it on a constant basis in a trade, looking for a reason to stay or
>>leave by shopping MAs.
>>
>>The displaced MA has a value of allowing you to see stops if your program
>>plots beyond last bar. I have been using 8day with 7 day lead, lately .
>>Richard Estes
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Lionel Issen <lissen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Cc: : Walter Lake <wlake@xxxxxxxxx>
>>Date: Sunday, September 20, 1998 11:15 PM
>>Subject: Re: Jurik's AMA
>>
>>
>>>Walter:
>>>
>>>You can usually approximate an adaptive ma by using an sma, ema, or
>>weighted
>>>moving average. The adaptive ma claims to give earlier signals, you can
>get
>>>earlier signal by using a shorter ma.
>>>
>>>Comments please.
>>>
>>>Lionel
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Walter Lake <wlake@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: metastock bulletin board <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Date: Sunday, September 20, 1998 8:13 AM
>>>Subject: Jurik's AMA
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi John
>>>>
>>>>I've seen this advertised regularly. I have no idea how it works, but by
>>>>eye-ball it looks like a 5 day MA advanced 3 days. Murray Ruggiero sells
>a
>>>>Trade Station version for $205US. His catalogue (1-800-211-9785) says
>this
>>>>"... It differs from standard adaptive moving averages in that it offers
>>>>higher correlation to the actual price with maximum smoothness." "...is
>>>>great for .... data preprocessing for developing a neural network. We
use
>>>>this adaptive moving average as part of many of the proprietary systems
>wh
>>>>have built for our clients."
>>>>
>>>>For me, the concern with any MA is to understand how it differs from the
>>>>standard SMA. IMHO, adaptive indicators need to be "always" paired with
a
>>>>"viewing" indicator, i.e., volatility indicator, etc. Otherwise you
>>rapidly
>>>>lose track of where you are at.
>>>>
>>>>Best wishes
>>>>
>>>>Walter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>