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> To get back on subject a little, have you been getting involved in 
the 
> markets of China or Australia or Korea? 

Re Australia:

The chrystal ball I bought at the NewAge shop isn't working too well 
but FWIW some broad brush strokes.

Generally the Aus market is small and lop-sided but it is a well 
regulated market.

It is overweight in Financials and Materials.
You would be hard pressed to find more than 1-2 mature companies, if 
you elect to follow a sector, outside of Materials and Financials 
anyway(even the Financial/Material choices are limmited compared to 
the US/international).

IMO the USA is a very special market because it attracts 
international players, as well as the locals, so the game is played 
at a higher level there than anywhere else - hope they don't spoil 
the game.... it must be worth a lot to the US economy.



Current specifics:

The Aus Financials have been moving in step with the US XLF, at least 
since the sub-prime shakedown started, if not before.

Commodity prices are holding the nation up - if they go things will 
slide a bit.

Against that oil at >=100 USD is a shock (it really does bite into 
all facets of the economy) - at those prices the AUS economy will 
slowly head down, with a time delay - oil prices affect energy hungry 
commodity producers too - it just takes a couple of returns to filter 
to the bottom line.

The interest rate barometer is set to cut - slumping markets will add 
to that impetus (the Fed is waiting for the dust to settle first).

Aus Financials are mainly limited to the big four (ANZ, NAB, WBC, 
CBA) - add .ASX and you can see at Yahoo australia that they have div 
yields at around 7% - that is since the +10-15% recovery of the last 
few days - the official cash rate is 7.0 - they are plumb for a buy 
and hold apart from fall out from the danger of more US fallout.

They are no where near in the same boat as the US Financials - they 
are just going down with that tide - Aus gave up national socialism a 
long time ago - only agrarian socialism still survives - no Aus 
taxpayer fingers are in the private enterprise financial pie.

They are bumping along the bottom, with volatility, and would have 
headed north again by now if it wasn't for the latest US crisis.

Small chainstore mortgage brokers/providers have been shaken out of 
the market - some of the smaller 'banks' are cheap enough to warrant 
interest from the big four.

Foreign financials are bit players here - HBOS has a 
small 'independent' arm called BankWest - CBA are rumoured to be 
hovering (probably just a rumour started by the black hat hedgers).

Interesting to note that last time I looked (1-2 weeks ago) the 
takeup rate of available short stock for the ASX was quite low so the 
big story that short hedgers were running the Aus market was a WMD.

(you could see a list of approved short stock and daily short vols at 
the ASX - mind you who is to say how much naked shorting was going 
on - IMO  I don't think that was really the case - the outcomes in 
Aus were purely fear driven institutional selling and regulators 
morally supporting the USA/UK)

AFAIK shorting, via bought puts, is still permitted in AUS but the 
options market is very illiquid anyway (waiting on my broker to 
confirm).

brian_z







--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "lou" <loulh@xxx> wrote:
>
> Hello Yuki -
> 
> Good to hear from you again.  I used to look forward to your 
periodical 
> updates on conditions in Japan.  Times go by and conditions change 
but still 
> are interesting.  You seem more American than ever which surprises 
me a 
> little.  The "polite" Japanese way of phrasing a sentence has faded 
away and 
> it is a shame because it did promote friendliness and harmony.  
Miss that 
> too.
> 
> To get back on subject a little, have you been getting involved in 
the 
> markets of China or Australia or Korea?  I would think being closer 
to them 
> that you might have more insight than from here.  Don't know about 
trading 
> conditions though.
> 
> Regardless, the best to you and family.
> 
> lou howard
> ======================================================
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@xxx>
> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:23 AM
> Subject: US now and Japan in 90's, was: Re: [amibroker] Re: How did 
everyone 
> do last week?
> 
> 
> > Yuki,
> >
> > On a more positive note - I am sure that list members would
> > love to hear your opinion about the similarities (if any)
> > between Japan in the early nineties, and the US now.
> >
> > In Bernanke famous speech (2002) that Patrick mentioned earlier 
in this 
> > thread
> > 
http://www.federalreserve.gov/BOARDDOCS/SPEECHES/2002/20021121/default
.htm
> > we can find this:
> > "The Japanese situation is a complex one [...]
> > Japan's economy faces some significant barriers to growth besides 
> > deflation,
> > including massive financial problems in the banking and corporate 
sectors 
> > and a large overhang of government debt.
> > private-sector financial problems have muted the effects of the 
monetary 
> > policies that have been tried in Japan,
> > even as the heavy overhang of government debt has made Japanese 
> > policymakers more reluctant to use aggressive fiscal policies
> > [...] Fortunately, the U.S. economy does not share these 
problems, at 
> > least not to anything like the same degree"
> >
> > Unfortunatelly the last sentence does not seem to be valid in 
2008.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Tomasz Janeczko
> > amibroker.com
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@xxx>
> > To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: How did everyone do last week?
> >
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> In his post Patrick just added single sentence to
> >> make sure I notice his private e-mail in my inbox.
> >> I can not see anything wrong with that.
> >> I have seen hundreds of posts on this list mentioning
> >> that somebody posted something via private channel,
> >> and nobody complained.
> >> Could we continue in a (more) friendly atmosphere?
> >> Thank you in advance and have a good day.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Tomasz Janeczko
> >> amibroker.com
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Yuki Taga" <yukitaga@xxx>
> >> To: "vlanschot" <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:18 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: How did everyone do last week?
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi vlanschot,
> >>>
> >>> You overrate your ability to engender panic by several orders of
> >>> magnitude.
> >>>
> >>> And yes, you cannot possibly imagine how I coped last week, nor 
this
> >>> week, nor during any week, unless you take the other side of my
> >>> trades.
> >>>
> >>> I just find it strange that you had to announce that you sent a
> >>> private email -- on a public list.
> >>>
> >>> Also, FWIW, I think I was part of this community before you 
were, and
> >>> I don't think it has changed that much.
> >>>
> >>> You can go back to trying to look clever now; I won't attempt 
to get
> >>> into your way.  But frankly, the bulk of the membership here is
> >>> probably not the least bit interested to know that you sent an 
email
> >>> to anyone who is a member of this list (or the list owner), the
> >>> contents of which they will probably never share.
> >>>
> >>> And personally, I could not be less interested.  But I find it
> >>> strange nonetheless.
> >>>
> >>> Yuki
> >>>
> >>> Monday, September 22, 2008, 6:43:26 PM, you wrote:
> >>>
> >>> v> Hi Yuki,
> >>>
> >>> v> You seem quite emotional about emails. I can only imagine 
how you
> >>> v> coped last week. Anyway, you just confirmed why I 
increasingly feel
> >>> v> this community has changed over the years in terms of its 
way of
> >>> v> communicating and sensitivities to rules. I believe there 
have been
> >>> v> plenty of other references in this group to private emails, 
and
> >>> v> personally I never realized my email would cause such a 
reaction.
> >>>
> >>> v> In other words, I won't bother again forwarding references 
which I
> >>> v> thought other readers might find interesting. You can calm 
down now.
> >>>
> >>> v> PS
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> v> I've send you a private e-mail re my own opinion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That would be "I've sent" of course, and highly illuminative 
for the
> >>>>> list members, at that.  Why would you mention on list that 
you sent
> >>>>> someone a message off list?  Would you suspect they are not in
> >>>>> receipt of such message?  Would you like to get subscribers 
to your
> >>>>> off list messages?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've sent a number of people private emails.  And I'm beating 
my
> >>>>> benchmark by more than 30 percent.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Phooey.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yuki
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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