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If it is any consolation for Tomasz... when he has to find the page, 
for someone, and put their finger on the line, there are a few more 
of us reading along sheepishly and when he shows someone the lesson 
was written years ago, but the student hasn't read it, others in the 
class look down at their books intently just so the teacher won't ask 
them a question about it.

Unfortunately the 'virtual' classroom doesn't enable him to see some 
of the positive reinforcement that teachers in a 'real' classroom get.

How does one bring the teacher a virtual apple?

Unfortunately virtuality filters out a lot of the positive feedback 
(body language/students quietly working away at their projects) and 
accentuates the negative (questions).

brian_z




 --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "matrix10014" <allansn@xxx> wrote:
>
> Well said Brian,except for the the part about me being provocative:)
> 
> If I was provocative,my snippet about sending someone into the "UFC 
> with 5 Tae Kwon Do lessons" would get my first vote.Regardless,I 
> happen to enjoy T's method,and he puts out a very good product.
> 
> I will be the first to admit that I am a computer numnut and have 
no 
> intention of vacating that lofty status.I use Ami for the tools it 
> provides me without having to get a Phd in programming,and 
certainly 
> have no shame in not knowing one should adjust the settings in AA 
due 
> to the fact that the Equity() function is involved.Tomasz is 
> certainly entitled to call that Lazy,but I would counter by saying 
> from my perspective,that is one of Amis weaknesses.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "brian_z111" <brian_z111@> wrote:
> >
> > Tomasz,
> > 
> > I think you are entitled to some feedback, the same as everyone 
> else, 
> > and perhaps you would like some.
> > 
> > (I don't really want to do this - I am tired from long posts and 
> deep 
> > soul searching to answer questions about 'spiritual' trading but 
> you 
> > deserve it after many, many, posts that helped me and others).
> > 
> > I thought Alan was being provocative when he said," I discussed 
it 
> in 
> > the past,but you had your own views," in his original post.
> > IMO that wasn't necessary and didn't contribute anything.
> > 
> > Apart from that I thought he did a good job and made some 
> interesting 
> > points.
> > 
> > You proved that he hadn't thought carefully, about your 
> Discretionary 
> > Equity code, which is a little embarrassing... enough said.
> > 
> > > Everyone is free to make unsubstantiated claims about 
> > > things that I wrote not working, but I am NOT allowed to say 
> > >anything, yes?
> > 
> > Of course you are... better for all that you do.
> > 
> > > No, I have exactly the same rights as everybody here. If you 
are 
> > >free
> > > to speak up, I am free to correct misinformation and share my 
> > >thoughts
> > > as everybody else.
> > 
> > Actually, you have more rights than the rest of us... you are our 
> > leader.
> > 
> > I thought your post was a good reply, all accept for the,"if you 
> were 
> > not so lazy" part..... if you had only left that part out it was 
> > perfect.
> > 
> > I think that is the point that Yuki was making (search Wiki for 
ad 
> > hominem == playing the man instead of the ball).
> > 
> > IMO, compared to your overall contributions in the forum, this is 
> > only a small mistake .... unfortunately leaders are under the 
> > spotlight a bit more.... because of my high regard for you it is 
a 
> > little shocking to me that you would say something like that but 
I 
> > make a lot of mistakes myself..... so.
> > 
> > 
> > Now that I am here.
> > 
> > I apologise for not giving you a completely honest answer as to 
why 
> I 
> > posted about Dis Eq curves without reading your KB article fully.
> > 
> > I went to the article and scanned it.
> > 
> > I was impressed that you had been reading quite widely, to find 
the 
> > original article in the first place, that you had thought of us 
and 
> > taken the trouble to write an KB article on the subject and that 
it 
> > was well presented, with supporting screenshots etc.
> > 
> > I just wasn't excited by the end result ... it was only an orange 
> > light for me.
> > 
> > I went back several times to check, and while I found the code of 
> > interest, as a teaching example, I still wasn't jumping over the 
> moon.
> > 
> > (To be fair I haven't even tried it so that might be why I am not 
> > jumping for joy).
> > 
> > Anyway, I assume you wrote it as a discussion piece, and not an 
AB 
> > feature, something that it succeeds at very well.
> > 
> > Sorry about that ... I know I want the MP3 player and everything 
> > else ... I can't help it ... it takes a lot to really get me 
> excited.
> > 
> > On one hand I like to push you, because I think you need it and 
> > actually thrive on it. On the other hand .... in real life I 
don't 
> > expect I will ever see that MP3 palyer in my ABmobile.
> > 
> > When a couple of people asked for clarification on what Alan and 
I 
> > meant by a 'LiveTester' I was tired, there was some confusion 
> around 
> > and it was a long story so I grabbed a sound bite and posted 
that, 
> > something that would get the message over quickly.
> > 
> > It is sad for me that the very good idea, of a LiveTester, has 
been 
> > pushed off the frontpage and that people I like are hurting each 
> > other in full public view.
> > 
> > I like the forum very much and have some friends here.
> > In fact I live a semi-reclusive life so it is wonderful 
intelligent 
> > company for me.
> > 
> > The continual, and regular, lows of the forum are wearing me down 
> > though ... such a pity.
> > 
> > Anyway, I don't want to go back and forth with this.
> > 
> > I am feeling tired, and you will be too, with Marcin on leave.
> > 
> > brian_z
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Everyone is free to make unsubstantiated claims about 
> > > things that I wrote not working, but I am NOT allowed to say 
> > anything, yes?
> > > 
> > > Why everybody is so hyper-sensitive when it comes to 
him/herself,
> > > but at the same time thinks that I should accept every kind of 
** 
> > with smile on my face.
> > > 
> > > No, I have exactly the same rights as everybody here. If you 
are 
> > free
> > > to speak up, I am free to correct misinformation and share my 
> > thoughts
> > > as everybody else.
> > > 
> > > Best regards,
> > > Tomasz Janeczko
> > > amibroker.com
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Yuki Taga" <yukitaga@>
> > > To: "Tomasz Janeczko" <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:02 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: 'Rule Based' 
versus 'Discretionary' 
> > trading...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Hi Tomasz,
> > > > 
> > > > TJ> If you were not so lazy ...
> > > > 
> > > > Do we need ad hominem attacks here?  I know you are a busy 
> fellow,
> > > > but regardless ...
> > > > 
> > > > Yuki
> > > > 
> > > > Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 4:20:28 PM, you wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > TJ> Hello,
> > > > 
> > > > TJ> The formula IS CORRECT and it WORKS IN REAL TIME
> > > > TJ> ===========================================
> > > > TJ> It also works correcly in EOD and covers SHORTS too.
> > > > TJ> ========================================
> > > > 
> > > > TJ> If you were not so lazy, you would check the 
documentation 
> of 
> > Equity() function
> > > > TJ> and you will quickly find out that it USES AUTOMATIC 
> ANALYSIS 
> > SETTINGS as
> > > > TJ> defined in Tools->Automatic Analysis->Settings.
> > > > TJ> Specifically it uses:
> > > > 
> > > > TJ> "Positions"
> > > > TJ> and
> > > > TJ> "Trade Delays"
> > > > 
> > > > TJ> If you set "Positions" to LONG ONLY then it will of 
course 
> > IGNORE shorts.
> > > > TJ> To handle shorts you need to switch "Positions" to "Long 
> and 
> > Shorts"
> > > > 
> > > > TJ> Also, if P&L is one day off it means that you have set
> > > > TJ> TRADE DELAYS > 0
> > > > TJ> ================
> > > > 
> > > > TJ> Go to Tools->Automatic Analysis->Settings, "Trade" tab
> > > > TJ> and change delays to ZERO !
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > TJ> Best regards,
> > > > TJ> Tomasz Janeczko
> > > > TJ> amibroker.com
> > > > TJ> ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > TJ> From: "matrix10014" <allansn@>
> > > > TJ> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > TJ> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:15 PM
> > > > TJ> Subject: [amibroker] Re: 'Rule Based' 
> versus 'Discretionary' 
> > trading...
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >>>I am pretty sure the code does not function properly in EOD 
as 
> > > >>> well.The P&L appears to be off by one day,and I can not 
cover 
> > my 
> > > >>> shorts.
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "phlsti" <pstitzer@> 
wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> This AFL doesn't work for me in realtime, which is where I 
> am 
> > all 
> > > >>> day.
> > > >>>>  It works on EOD static charts, but that is only limited 
> help.
> > > >>>> Phil
> > > >>>> 
> > > >>>> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tomasz Janeczko" 
> <groups@> 
> > wrote:
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > Available (2006):
> > > >>>> > http://www.amibroker.com/kb/2006/05/06/discretionary-
> equity/
> > > >>>> > 
> > > >>>> > Best regards,
> > > >>>> > Tomasz Janeczko
> > > >>>> > amibroker.com
> > > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > >>>> > From: "brian_z111" <brian_z111@>
> > > >>>> > To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 10:34 AM
> > > >>>> > Subject: [amibroker] Re: 'Rule Based' 
> versus 'Discretionary' 
> > > >>> trading...
> > > >>>> > 
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>>
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> 
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