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Re: "Surely you do not think that is akin to passing on the buck for
one's lack of success to the developer of the product? "
Of course not. I indicated I was probably being too blunt and I
overspoke and I apologize.
I agree with Bill that software packages that strive to be "one size
fits all" usually fail. I also think his idea of setting up suggestion
subcategories so charting-specific suggestions aren't lost is a good one.
Like the program creator (I think), I just get weary of seeing "I
don't like that" complaints without specific remedies suggested. I
also think people lose sight of how far we've come with things like
charting in just a few short internet years. AB is one of the most
rapidly evolving software systems I've ever seen and good ideas
generally have a way of creeping in, usually much faster than we
expect. But IMO the better defined a suggestion is, the better the
chance its going to make it. So, subjective complaints about things
like "crispness" generally turn me off. Isn't a pixel a pixel for any
software system? If so, maybe people should spend all their time
finding the color chart palette that yields the maximum "crispness".
I'm starting to get cynical again so I should probably stop.
Dan
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Rakesh Sahgal" <rakeshsahgal@xxx>
wrote:
>
> I don't recall anyone complaining that they are not making money
because of
> the deficiences in the product i.e. AB. Did anyone do that? Insofar
as I can
> recollect all have lauded the flexibility of the product WRT system
design
> and writing custom studies. The only lament was that WRT charting
> capabilities there could be some improvements. Surely you do not
think that
> is akin to passing on the buck for one's lack of success to the
developer of
> the product?
>
> Rakesh
>
> On 2/19/07, Rakesh Sahgal <rakeshsahgal@xxx> wrote:
> >
> > Most of those feature suggestions/requests are on record. Let us
see if
> > they are found to be of merit in the light of the present discussion.
> >
> > Rakesh
> >
> > On 2/19/07, danielwardadams <danielwardadams@xxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > If you want additional studies, Tomasz has already indicated if you
> > > submit them as feature requests, they will be considered for
> > > implementation as part of the AB package. Here is the link with his
> > > offer:
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/message/106685.
> > >
> > > Since making the offer, I think there have only been three requests:
> > > (1) one for ray extensions, (2) one for Equivolume charts, and
(3) one
> > > for Chaiken Money Flow. FWIW, the last two requests were made by me.
> > > (There may have been more but they haven't been approved for
> > > consideration so aren't visible yet).
> > >
> > > So, if additional "out of the box" studies is what is stopping
people
> > > from using AB as a "one-stop" charting solution, you have an option.
> > > But IMO the only reason people should use this an excuse is if
> > > (reasonable) requests for studies are submitted and don't get
> > > implemented. I say "reasonable" because, for example, I don't
know if
> > > implementing Equivolume charts is possible within the current AB
> > > design constraints.
> > >
> > > If "crispiness" or 16 zillion colors or some of the other
> > > "subjective, hard to explain" reasons is what is stopping you, maybe
> > > you'll have to continue with multiple charting solutions. However if
> > > you think any of these subjective-type requests could actually help
> > > you trade better, I'd like to understand how. Remember that that we
> > > are only two or three decades from the time all this stuff was done
> > > with paper and pencil and rulers and good traders made money
then. At
> > > the risk of being too blunt, I think using a charting package as an
> > > excuse for not making money trading is a copout.
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx , "brian.z123" <brian.z123@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Fair enough.
> > > >
> > > > A few minutes at the website doesn't equal a trial.
> > > >
> > > > I will take the Ensign trial when I get a chance and have a
look at
> > > > the additional studies.
> > > >
> > > > BrianB2.
> > > >
> > > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "wavemechanic" <fimdot@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian:
> > > > >
> > > > > If you are really interested in using charting techniques,
have you
> > > > considered looking at some of the programs, including those
mentioned
> > > > in previous messages, on a trial basis?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "brian.z123" <brian.z123@>
> > > > > To: < amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:31 AM
> > > > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: I think the real defect of Amibroker is
> > > > charting
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello Trading Humble,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am not having a go at you or pushing any agenda; I am
trying to
> > > > > > understand what the chartists want for my own reasons
> > > > > > (if they are using charts in a way that I am not and it is
> > > > > > contributing to their trading success I want to know about
it).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The problem is no-one can specify what it is they are after
> > > > > > (including screenshots).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rakesh lists some studies; fair enough, you've definitely
drawn
> > > > some
> > > > > > empathy from me.
> > > > > > Without the facts, however, I can't decide either way, but I
> > > > assume
> > > > > > Tomasz must have his reasons why he didn't implement the
> > > > suggestions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I read Joe's post of 03 #49871 but without a screenshot I
can't
> > > > > > readily understand what he wants.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
********************************************************************
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Re your points.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am an art lover.
> > > > > > I particularly like visionary art.
> > > > > > If you want graphics have a look at
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://iasos.com/artists/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but I am not looking for an art experience when I open AB.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think it looks quite nice and it is visually pleasant while
> > > > working
> > > > > > in it.
> > > > > > We have a choice of skins.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have had a quick look at the Ensign site and I don't
agree that
> > > > the
> > > > > > chart quality is superior although the web page is more
artistic.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Crispy can only be an issue of resolution or contrast.
> > > > > > Isn't the resolution the same for most of us (depending on
> > > > computer
> > > > > > graphics card)?
> > > > > > How can another software package have superior resolution
to Ami?
> > > > > > Would it show on my computer if it did?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Contrast comes down to the colours used; two adjacent
lines look
> > > > > > different depending on the colours used or perspective.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How do we add perspective to 2D charts.
> > > > > > Anyway, once again 3D is arty but seldom functional in
software.
> > > > > > Of course Ami does have 3D where it counts; in the optimised
> > > > output.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Doesn't Ami have a full colour palette the equal of other
> > > > software
> > > > > > and don't we have the option to change colour settings?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ensign uses a lot of colour which looks *arty*, but does
it have
> > > > a
> > > > > > function other than entertainment?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I love pink, but I am not sure about it in my candlesticks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't agree that the Ensign charts look any better than
Ami's.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It can't be in the fonts, as they are standard.
> > > > > > Where is the difference?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ensign appears to have some extra studies and drawing
tools; are
> > > > they
> > > > > > what people want?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If so why not put forward a well researched and referenced
> > > > request
> > > > > > with screenshots.
> > > > > > Advertise it here and submit it to suggestions and I am
sure you
> > > > will
> > > > > > get a hearing.
> > > > > > Some of the fence sitters, like me, may even join in the
chorus
> > > > > > asking Tomasz to implement them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As for ease of use; how exactly is the way we use Ami's
drawing
> > > > tools
> > > > > > any different from other programs (point & click)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As I said, I am looking to buy your arguments but no one
has made
> > > > a
> > > > > > tempting offer so far.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BrianB2.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "tradinghumble" <sharp2be@>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Just adding to the opinions here, I think AB is the king of
> > > > > >> backtesting and programming but I have to agree that it lacks
> > > > when
> > > > > >> comes to charting... and I'm not talking about
indicators, I'm
> > > > > >> talking about "charting, quality, graphics, etc" ... I've
> > > > brought
> > > > > >> this issue up many times but noone seems to understand
it... I
> > > > > > guess
> > > > > >> you have to use TradesStation or even Ensign and QT to
> > > > understand
> > > > > >> what I mean by crispy ... on the other hand, I've hard people
> > > > > >> comparing AB to Metastock.. now, that's silly, AB is
miles away
> > > > > > from
> > > > > >> Metastock , 15 times better... so, in summary, if your
think is
> > > > EOD
> > > > > >> charts and your main focus is automation, there's no better
> > > > place
> > > > > >> than AB...
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Rik Rasmussen"
<hrasmussen@>
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > You do not mention any way you find it to be inferior.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > What is it about the charts that you find lacking?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Rik Rasmussen
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >> > > From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >> > > [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ] On Behalf Of itmwh
> > > > > >> > > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:50 AM
> > > > > >> > > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >> > > Subject: [amibroker] I think the real defect of
Amibroker is
> > > > > >> charting
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > I think amibroker as a system
> > > > developing/backtesting/automatic
> > > > > >> > > excecution software is superb, actually, in my
opinion, best
> > > > in
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >> > > market, especially considering the price. But as a
new user
> > > > of
> > > > > >> > > Amibroker, I also found the charting proportion of
Amibroker
> > > > > >> > > is not as
> > > > > >> > > competive as other functions. I have some experience
with
> > > > > >> > > ensign, and
> > > > > >> > > feel that is the best charting software. I am not a
> > > > > > discretionary
> > > > > >> > > trader, and I do not think ensign is worthy of the
monthly
> > > > > >> > > subscription
> > > > > >> > > price, so I will stay with Amibroker , but I hope
amibroker
> > > > > >> > > can improve
> > > > > >> > > its charting function. A improved charting capability
,will
> > > > > >> appeal to
> > > > > >> > > the vast majority of the retail traders and also greatly
> > > > > > improve
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >> > > sales of this software, even at a higher price. Just my
> > > > > > personal
> > > > > >> > > thoughts, sorry if not correct.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please note that this group is for discussion between
users only.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail
directly to
> > > > > > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check
DEVLOG:
> > > > > > http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For other support material please check also:
> > > > > > http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > >
> > > Please note that this group is for discussion between users only.
> > >
> > > To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to
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> > >
> > > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check DEVLOG:
> > > http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
> > >
> > > For other support material please check also:
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