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Rizwan,
I think it would be better to discuss this [interesting] subject in
the future, when we will have amibroker NN [I suppose it will be the
best in the T/A market...]. Until then, we will survive without it.
Dimitris
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "rizwankherati"
<rizwankherati@xxxx> wrote:
> Dear Friend,
>
> Thanks for sharing your insights and experience about NN.
>
> You wrote:
>
> >"If you also know any NN software "understanding" the
directionality
> > of the market, please respond."
>
> Ofcourse we can discuss such a question about ANY TA tool
endlessly,
> but let me quote for you John Murphy(who is wellknown in TA circles)
> from the Foreword of Louis B. Mendelsohn's book "Trend Forecasting
> with technical analysis".
>
> "Mendelsohn ... shows how a neural network can take any number of
> related factors into consideration, analyze them, and draw some
> practical conclusions. And, those conclusions lead to the real
> benefit - winning market trades."
>
> Ofcourse Mandelson claims close to 80% accuracy for his NN
> software "Vanatage Point" of which I do not have any personal
> expereince.
>
> My point is that if we can have Gann geomatry and Fibonacci
> retracements we can also have NN. Every user will have their own
> expereiences and its better for all users to have a chance to test
a
> thing and then decide if its not useful.
>
> I do understand that other users may not agree with me and thats
> fine, we can disagree on the worth of so many things in life. We
all
> are diffrent, all are unique!
>
> Best regards
>
> Rizwan
>
>
>
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "DIMITRIS TSOKAKIS"
<TSOKAKIS@xxxx>
> wrote:
> > I have tried some [most promissing] NN in the past.
> > My test was quite simple : I ran the algorithm for a 1000-bar
> famous
> > stock and saved the result. Then, 10 min later, I ran the same
test
> > on the same stock. The new result was quite different ["quite"
> means
> > a "Sell" instead of "Buy"]. I repeated 2-3 more times the test. I
> > also noticed differences in the NN training series. I carefully
> > copied my tests and sent them to the NN company with my Best
> Regards.
> > I still wait for their reply. I am patient enough but, I am
afraid
> > they will not send any kind of reply. Then I sent a suggestion
for
> > their own use. Instead of running 100 individual NNs for the 100
> N100
> > stocks [and enjoying, perhaps, the perfect 50%-50%], it would be
> > better to run a composite StochD for the whole N100 market. It
was
> > the day of a bearish MeanStochD divergence and, my NN-less
> prediction
> > was the beginning of a [new] downtrend. They didnt make any
> comment.
> > I suppose they make money selling NNs. I also suppose they trade
> the
> > MeanStochD divergences. But, I have not received any kind of
> > confirmation for these thoughts. The [absolute] silence of these
NN
> > vendors is, perhaps, the best way to communicate in the 21st
> century.
> > Dimitris
> > PS : If anybody knows an NN which give the same output for 10
tests
> > on the same 1000-bar data series, please let me know...
> > If you also know any NN software "understanding" the
directionality
> > of the market, please respond.
> >
> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Yuki Taga <yukitaga@xxxx> wrote:
> > > I'm afraid I have to agree about the worthlessness of NN. Here
in
> > > Japan, with *very* powerful computers, people have attempted to
> use
> > > NNs to extract money from the stock market. The market has
> > extracted
> > > money from them instead. Mostly, the effort here has been
> abandoned
> > > until sometime in the future when there is some kind of
> fundamental
> > > change in computing power. Other than that, there are the usual
> > > collection of hustlers selling black boxes that are just about
> > > guaranteed to be next to worthless.
> > >
> > > The idea that these programs can "learn" in any real sense is
> simply
> > > not true. Not in any real sense, and not compared to even how
> > > chimpanzees learn, let alone human beings. The state of
computing
> > > does not appear to be anywhere near this realm yet. Maybe in
> > another
> > > (human) generation or more.
> > >
> > > Yuki
> > >
> > > Sunday, September 5, 2004, 10:32:07 AM, you wrote:
> > >
> > > m> I also vote NO on Neural Networks. The Neural network you
were
> > > m> born with is thousands of times better than any digital
Neural
> > > m> network can ever be. We simply fail to use it as well as
> > Einstein
> > > m> used his. Ron D ----- Original Message ----- From:
> > > m> Michael.S.G. To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent:
Friday,
> > > m> September 03, 2004 6:52 PM Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re:
> Neural
> > > m> Netowrks in AmiBroker
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