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size=2>Anytime you are ready, if you write the code for the tradelist export
I'll share whatever afl I turn out to read the file from RT :-)
I
have the basics working and hope to finish it over the weekend. It is
kind of neat you just click anywhere on the RT chart and see all the EOD
particulars in the RT Interpretation window :-) still have to do the date
matching...
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<FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----From: dingo
[mailto:dingo@xxxxxxxxxxxx]Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 9:37
PMTo: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE: [amibroker]
Real-Time Trading System ExamplesImportance:
High
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Your BTW is EXACTLY what I was going to
suggest.
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<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I'll work you up something to do the exporting (and
little bit more). How soon do you need it?
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From: Herman van den Bergen
[mailto:psytek@xxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 9:13
PMTo: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE:
[amibroker] Real-Time Trading System Examples
<FONT face=Arial
size=2>InLine...
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size=2>-----Original Message-----From: dingo
[mailto:dingo@xxxxxxxxxxxx]Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 7:49
PMTo: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE:
[amibroker] Real-Time Trading System ExamplesImportance:
High
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I'm still trying to get my head around what approach
you're wanting to take.
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<FONT
face=Arial>Are you going to use EOD data
and formula to produce your buy signals?<SPAN
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face=Arial><SPAN
class=906211400-10042004>Yes, because they are
more accurate than RT signals - for what i am
doing.
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<FONT
face=Arial>Or are you going to use
Realtime data and another formula to do your entries?<SPAN
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<FONT
face=Arial><SPAN
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color=#000000>Yes.
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<FONT
face=Arial>Are you going to use Realtime
data and formula to manage stops/exits for open positions?<SPAN
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<FONT
face=Arial><SPAN
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color=#000000>Yes.
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<FONT
face=Arial>If that's the case then you
won't need to mix your databases and your EOD formula can be separate from
the realtime formula, right?<SPAN
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<FONT
face=Arial><SPAN
class=906211400-10042004>Indeed, but only in
real trading, the problem is that I need to develop&optimize the
RT components with backtesting. <FONT
color=#000000>How would I optimize my RT stops over historical data
if I don't have access to the EOD signals, stock picks, scores,
shares, and trade-prices in my formula? All these are based on EOD
data and can not be calculated accurately in
RT.
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<FONT
face=Arial>I assume you have the EOD
formula that generates the buys working satisfactorily?<SPAN
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<FONT
face=Arial><SPAN
class=906211400-10042004>Yes, but is is price
sensitive and gets all confused dealing with things like -17 to +30 cts RT
volatility/noise of the OHLC Prices
(AAPL).
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<FONT
face=Arial>If you are going to use a
formula to manage your stops/exits have you been able to complete this or
is this the question that you're asking?<SPAN
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<FONT
face=Arial><SPAN
class=906211400-10042004>There are many formulas and i haven't
decided which to use, My system must first work with EOD performance in an
RT environment.
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<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Assuming you have a formula to manage those
stops/exits - have you worked out a way to trigger the trade? <SPAN
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<FONT
color=#0000ff><SPAN
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color=#000000>NO.
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<FONT
color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=906211400-10042004>I believe you mentioned that Ninja Trader
wasn't the answer. Is this a piece you're asking about as well?<SPAN
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<FONT
face=Arial>Not now,
waiting for TJ to introduce automation... i still have work to do and hope
to be ready when TJ is...
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<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Lots of questions, eh? <SPAN
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<FONT face=Arial
size=2>Not really; I have a lot
more :-)
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<FONT
face=Arial>I'm asking because I'm headed
in that direction as well - just not as ready as you are right now.<SPAN
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<FONT
face=Arial><SPAN
class=906211400-10042004>Let me know how
things work out for you... <FONT
color=#000000>and what path you decide
on.
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<FONT
face=Arial><SPAN
class=906211400-10042004>BTW, today I thought of another approach,
a brute force method alright but it might work. I simply export the
entire EOD trade list and read it from the RT code. For each RT date
I look up the matching EOD row in the Trade list, I then extract whatever
information i need. Tried it, It is actually faster than i expected. All i
need now is an automatic Export at the end of my EOD backtest ;-) any
ideas?
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<FONT face=Arial
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From: Herman van den Bergen
[mailto:psytek@xxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 12:01
PMTo: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE:
[amibroker] Real-Time Trading System Examples
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size=2>[d]Or are you trying to take an EOD system and trying to make
your system "more granular" and pick the same patterns in intraday
data?
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<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>I am mainly trying to improve Entries and Exits, i am not looking
for patterns. The systems work fine in EOD but I observed on the
RT charts that i often miss locking in some really nice
profits that fade before I exit. So i want to code in Trailing
stops that activate at a certain profit and than exit when the price
drops back a bit. For example, if my profits reaches 2% during the
first two hours of the trade, then i want to activate a Stop and
exit when my profits drop back to 1.5%. ApplyStops cannot be used in
very short-term (1-3 days) trading because on the day of exit it is
unknown which came first, the High or the Low, or with profit stops, how
many dips there were during the day that would have terminated the
trade. RT data is needed to develop proper stops. limits, etc. with the
short trades i use.
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<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>If i trade 1-3 times a week and i might be able
to reduce my exposure by 50% if I managed to get out based on
profits instead of timing. I would prefer overall less profits if it
came with less exposure. Also, the strength of signals fades pretty
fast... have you ever tested your n-Bar profits? i.e.
profits made on the 1st, 2nd and 3rd day? You can vary the entry
delay and use n-Bar stops to limit the trade duration, that way you can
"isolated" single days (profits) of your trade. For me, typical profit
distributions might be 65% 25% 10% for a system with an average of
3-bar trades. So the first day obviously has the greatest profit
potential at the least exposure. IMHO, short term signals have a limited
life-time: after a certain number of days you are just hoping to get
lucky :-) knowing your n-Bar profits may help you decide whether it
is worth it (risk) to stay in a trade or
not.
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size=2>[d] <FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>IMHO you are in un-charted waters as far as AB
goes.
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<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>We got some smart cookies on this
list, I just can't believe that nobody is working on this; it appears
the obvious way to keep your EOD system working now that RT trading is
catching on. So I hope you are wrong on this one
:-)
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<FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----From: dingo
[mailto:dingo@xxxxxxxxxxxx]Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004
11:21 AMTo: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject:
RE: [amibroker] Real-Time Trading System
ExamplesImportance: High
<FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>IMHO you are in un-charted waters as
far as AB goes.
<FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Are you trying to come up with a
system to do backtesting with or one to monitor trades / manage stops
for real-time trading? Or are you trying to take an EOD system
and trying to make your system "more granular" and pick the same
patterns in intraday data?
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From: Herman van den Bergen
[mailto:psytek@xxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004
11:14 AMTo: AmiBroker YahooGroupsSubject:
[amibroker] Real-Time Trading System Examples
Would
anybody have some example code for Real Time trading
systems? I have considerable trouble converting EOD
systems to RT data - tried too many ways to mention but always
hit a snag at some advanced point. My problem areas
are:
<SPAN
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<SPAN
class=937152314-09042004>1) Converting or duplicating EOD
signals to RT, I need this because EOD data prices
are more accurate than those I get from RT
sources.
2)
Running the basic EOD system in RT, i.e. reproduce EOD
signals in RT. I want this as a verification stage before
trying to enhance the system with RT data
3)
Custom coding Profit targets, Limit Prices and
Stops.
4)
Optimizing entry points by using Pre/after hours trading and/or
using delayed/early entries and exits.
5)
Showing EOD Arrows (derived from EOD data, not from RT data) on
my minute charts.
<SPAN
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If
anybody has example code or reference URLs to share that would be
much appreciated.
<SPAN
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Also, i
am beginning to wonder how many subscribers, if any, have
actually solved the above problems. If you have done
so perhaps you can share this simple fact (no code
needed), knowing that it has been done successfully is a
great motivator :-)
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TIA and
best regards,
<SPAN
class=937152314-09042004>herman.
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