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I can't speak to how you are using this particular feature. But if
you some how are limiting positon size in another way where the size
of the positions don't change whether you use margin or not, than
final equity won't change either. So I guess the question is ... Are
your position sizes changing when you introduce 50% margin ? and if
not then is that because you are limiting position size in another
manner ?
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Al Venosa" <advenosa@xxxx> wrote:
> Yes, Fred, and in fact I have observed this behavior, too. I have
noticed
> that, with posqty set to 4, and with $100 K total equity, based on a
> volatility-based positionsize algorighm, you could easily buy $50 K
of very
> low volatility stock, $35 K of a medium volatility stock, $14 K of
a high
> volatility stock, and the remaining $1 K in the 4th, with
positionsize
> shrinking turned on, even though if you had had enough equity
remaining, you
> might have bought $25 K of the 4th stock.
>
> However, one puzzlement that I do have is that, if I set margin to
be 50
> rather than 100 in Settings, it doesn't make any difference in the
final
> equity achieved. You would think the final equity would be double,
wouldn't
> you? Any ideas? The position size statement is:
>
> PosQty = 4;
> PositionSize = -100/posqty; //this is not the volatility-based
positionsize
> statement I was referring to above
>
> If the total equity is $100 K but margin is 50%, then you really
have $200 K
> total available equity with which to trade, right?
>
> TIA.
>
> Al Venosa
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred" <ftonetti@xxxx>
> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 12:21 PM
> Subject: [amibroker] Re: Potential problem with Portfolio
Backtester?
>
>
> > Al,
> >
> > It appears from the little test I posted that this is exactly
correct
> > and in addition if position size shrinking is turned on it will
> > invest that left over $700 in something else as well.
> >
> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Al Venosa" <advenosa@xxxx>
wrote:
> > > I'd like to know the answer to your question, too. Here is how I
> > would guess
> > > AB does it. It determines your TOTAL CURRENT equity at any given
> > time. You
> > > said that one of your stocks exited with a $3K profit after a
few
> > days, but
> > > you didn't say what the other 9 stocks did. Suppose they grew
to a
> > $20 K
> > > profit collectively. Thus, your total current equity is now
$123 K
> > (the $3K
> > > profit from your exited position plus the $20 K open profit from
> > the other 9
> > > stocks plus the original $100 K invested). So, according to your
> > > positionsize statement, the new investment would be 10% of $123
K
> > or $12.3
> > > K. So, you would buy $12.3 K of your new stock rather than $13
K,
> > leaving
> > > you with $700 uninvested cash. Does this make sense? I don't
know
> > if it is
> > > correct, however.
> > >
> > > Al Venosa
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <chuck_rademacher@x>
> > > To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:40 AM
> > > Subject: [amibroker] Potential problem with Portfolio
Backtester?
> > >
> > >
> > > > I'm certainly not saying that there is a bug in the
backtester.
> > I just
> > > wondered what other users think of what I see happening in my
> > research. In
> > > fact, after typing everything that follows, I've come to the
> > conclusion that
> > > the problem is in my own AFL. However, I believe that my
coding is
> > exactly
> > > or at least similar to what everyone else is doing.
> > > >
> > > > I'll attempt to describe the situation:
> > > >
> > > > 1. I'm using the "normal" portfolio backtesting mode with
market
> > timing.
> > > My systems will typically lay on some number of positions when
> > the "market"
> > > turns up and quit all of those positions when the market turns
> > down. The
> > > systems do have 50% loss stops (that are seldom hit) and profit
> > stops that
> > > are frequently hit.
> > > >
> > > > 2. Assume we are flat today.
> > > >
> > > > 3. We download our data, run our backtest and place our
orders
> > for
> > > tomorrow's open.
> > > >
> > > > 4. Assume that we have $100,000 in our account and we have
used
> > > PositionScore to rank our 50 or so buy signals and that we are
> > going to have
> > > a maximum of ten positions.
> > > >
> > > > 5. We will have ten buy orders, each for about $10,000.
> > > >
> > > > 6. Let's say that after a few days, one of our positions hits
> > our profit
> > > objective and we exit with a $3,000 profit.
> > > >
> > > > 7. This leaves us with $13,000 to invest tomorrow.
> > > >
> > > > 8. Assuming that the market is still in an up-trend, AB (our
> > AFL) is
> > > going to find a new stock for us to buy. I believe that it is
> > going to
> > > divide our available funds ($13,000) by ten and that it will
invest
> > only
> > > $1,300 in the stock that is replacing the stock we quit at our
> > profit stop.
> > > Why wouldn't it? After all, it's my own AFL that says something
> > like:
> > > >
> > > > PositionSize = -100/posqty;
> > > > or
> > > > PositionSize = -10;
> > > >
> > > > The questions I have are:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Do you agree that this is what is happening?
> > > >
> > > > 2. Does this explain why we are not able to achieve the
exposure
> > > percentages that we expect?
> > > >
> > > > 3. Would you like the buy order be for $1,300, $10,000 or
> > $13,000?
> > > >
> > > > 4. Have you solved this problem yourself with some fancy AFL?
> > I'm
> > > thinking that I may, for instance, be able to calculate position
> > size at the
> > > beginning of a market cycle and use it throughout that cycle.
In
> > other
> > > words, I would determine that for the next cycle, all positions
> > will be
> > > $10,000. Profits would just be set aside for the next cycle.
> > > >
> > > > I look forward to hearing from those of you who are
interested in
> > this
> > > subject.
> > > >
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