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size=2>Greg,
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FWIW, 
I don't think you want to do this (below).    I don't see how you 
can compare absolute dollar returns for different stocks.   I'm sure 
that you will want to divide rather than 
subtract.  
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Also, 
see postings by Phsst regarding the results below.   They are very 
suspect for lots of reasons.   You can't have a positive CAR with a 
negative average return per trade.
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I'll 
also let you in on a big secret!    I can't provide the exact 
code (sorry), but I think you will find that negatively applying the return for 
the last few days (weeks?) to this formula will dramatically help a short-term 
system.   In other words, add up the returns like you are already 
doing and then subtract the returns for the most recent period.   This 
helps to buy stocks that have been rising but are experiencing a 
pull-back.    
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I am 
trading one fund using this technique and it has been working very 
well.   I'm aware of two other hedge funds that have been trading this 
way for more than 15 years and the performance of each has been 
stellar!
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  size=2>-----Original Message-----From: Greg 
  [mailto:gregbean@xxxxxxxxxxx]Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:06 
  PMTo: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re: [amibroker] 
  Re: PositionScore Ideas
  Phsst,
   
  The return doesn't look so good for RSW. Could you please try comparison 
  using the following formula instead . I'm not sure that the original formula I 
  provided should have been as a percent. Maybe it makes a difference ??
   
  // RSWraw = .4*(Total Return 13-Week)+.3*(Total 
  Return 26-Week)+.3*(TotalReturn 1-Year)tr13 = 0.4 * (C - Ref(C, 
  -65));tr26 = 0.3 * (C - Ref(C, -130));tr52 = 0.3 * (C - Ref(C, 
  -260));RSWraw = tr13 + tr26 + tr52;PositionScore = 
RSWraw;
   
  Sorry to bother you again.
   
  Greg
  
   
   
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    ----- Original Message ----- 
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    >From: 
    Phsst 
    To: <A title=amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    href="">amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 6:30 
    PM
    Subject: [amibroker] Re: PositionScore 
    Ideas
    Greg,This backtest comparison is for illustrative 
    purposes only. I make noclaims regarding these test results other than 
    the AFL and Setupcriteria was identical for both tests. The only 
    difference was theassignment of PositionScore = QRS versus PositionScore 
    = RSW.NOTE: // RSW = .4*(Total Return 13-Week)+.3*(Total 
    Return 26-Week)+.3*(TotalReturn 1-Year)tr13 = 0.4 * (C - Ref(C, 
    -65)) / Ref(C, -65) * 100;tr26 = 0.3 * (C - Ref(C, -130)) / Ref(C, -130) 
    * 100;tr52 = 0.3 * (C - Ref(C, -260)) / Ref(C, -260) * 100;RSW = 
    tr13 + tr26 + tr52;PositionScore = RSW;Date Range 6/1/1995 to 
    Present (No QRS scores exist prior to this)Direct 
    comparison:      RSW 
    SCORE            QRS 
    SCORE      Long 
    trades            Long 
    tradesInitial capital      
    100000            
    100000Ending capital      
    22984180      190338380Net 
    Profit      22884180      
    190238380Net Profit %      
    22884.18%      190238.38%Exposure 
    %      94.25%      
          94.16%Net RAR 
    %      24280.98%      
    202035.63%Annual Return %      
    89.07%      
            142.19%Risk Adj Retn 
    %      94.50%      
          151.01%      
                All 
    trades      7431 (100.00 
    %)      7487 (100.00 %)Avg. 
    Profit/Loss      3079.56 25409.16Avg. 
    Profit/Loss %      
    -4.16%      -2.88%Avg. Bars 
    Held      
             
    2.65      2.63      
                
    Winners      
             3829 (51.53 
    %)      4066 (54.31 %)Total 
    Profit      
    64437022.92      436648089.7Avg. 
    Profit      16828.68      
    107390.09Avg. Profit %      
    3.10%            
    3.13%Avg. Bars Held      
    2.33            
    2.33Max. Consecutive      
    17      17Largest 
    win      978262.15      
    7798920.06# bars in largest win      
    2      2      
                
    Losers      3602 (48.47 
    %)            3421 (45.69 
    %)Total Loss      
    -41552842.92      -246409709.4Avg. 
    Loss      -11536.05      
    -72028.56Avg. Loss %      
    -11.88%            
    -10.03%Avg. Bars Held      
    2.98            
    2.99Max. Consecutive      
    13      12Largest 
    loss      -542767      
          -4301835.5# bars in largest 
    loss      6      
    6            
          Max. trade 
    drawdown      
    -610851.92      -4864832.72Max. trade % 
    drawdown      -98.69%      
          -99.67%Max. system 
    drawdown      
    -2119041.36      -15587244.83Max. system % 
    drawdown      -34.68%      
          -27.63%Recovery 
    Factor      10.8      
          
    12.2CAR/MaxDD      
    2.57            
    5.15RAR/MaxDD      
    2.72            
    5.46Profit Factor      
    1.55            
    1.77Payoff Ratio      
    1.46            
    1.49Standard Error      
    2982472.3      25676798.01Risk-Reward 
    Ratio      0.44      
    0.38Ulcer Index      
    12.1            
    7.64Ulcer Performance Index      
    6.92      17.9Sharpe Ratio of 
    trades      -0.72      
    -0.86K-Ratio      
                     
    1.09      0.93FWIW, I have some other 
    systems / variations that I'll run a RSW vs.QRS comparison on. If there 
    are any notable improvements to the RSWresults, I'll post 
    them.Regards,Phsst--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, 
    "Greg" <gregbean@xxxx> wrote:> Phsst,> > Yes I 
    think it is (Total Return 13-Week) means (Pct Price gain in> 
    13-Weeks). The terms are from ValueLine, I think.> <A 
    href="">http://www.valueline.com/> 
    > IBD definition of Relative Strength:> >  
    Relative Price Strength (RS) Rating or Relative StrengthThis 
    IBDSmartSelect® Corporate Rating measures each stock's price 
    performanceover the latest twelve months compared to all other stocks. 
    The ratingscale ranges from 1 (lowest) to 99 (highest). Stocks rating 
    below 70indicate weaker or more laggard relative price performance. 
    > <A 
    href="">http://www.investors.com/> 
    > > Greg> >   ----- Original Message 
    ----- >   From: Phsst >   To: 
    amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >   Sent: Saturday, December 13, 
    2003 4:52 PM>   Subject: [amibroker] Re: PositionScore 
    Ideas> > >   Greg,> 
    >   I'll be happy to do a comparison on just about anything 
    that might be>   comparable to IDB's RS Rank.> 
    >   I assume that (Total Return 13-Week) means (Pct Price 
    gain in>   13-Weeks), and so on?> 
    >   Worth noting here, that IDB's RS Rank is a score 
    between 1 and 100>   that ranks each particular stock 
    against the whole mkt for thepast year.> >   But 
    for positionscore pusposes, we are not limited to a score of 1 
    ->   100, so I can do the raw comparison of results from 
    your formulato QRS.> >   I'll post back later 
    under this same Subject.> >   Regards> 
    >   Phsst> > >   --- In 
    amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Greg" <gregbean@xxxx> 
    wrote:>   > Hi Phsst.>   > 
    >   > Here is a formula that I have been told closely 
    follows that of IBD.>   Could you please do the comparison 
    you offered ?>   > >   > RSW = 
    .4*(Total Return 13-Week)+.3*(Total Return 
    26-Week)+.3*(Total>   Return 1-Year)>   
    > >   > Thanks,>   > 
    Greg>   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
    >   >   From: Phsst >   
    >   To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >   
    >   Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 1:26 
    PM>   >   Subject: [amibroker] Re: 
    PositionScore Ideas>   > >   > 
    >   >   Al,>   > 
    >   >   My favorite is the QP2 QRS value 
    (GetExtraData("QRS"). The QP2 QRS>   >   value 
    is supposed to be a 'knockoff' of the IBD RS ranking 
    score.>   > >   >   I 
    almost always get a significant boost using this rankingfigure 
    as>   >   as the 
    positionscore.>   > >   
    >   If you do not have QP2, but have any ideas about how to 
    doyour own RS>   >   Rank calculation, I'd 
    be happy to run some comparisons for you (or>   
    >   anyone else) to measure your calculated RS Rank against 
    QP2's QRS>   rank.>   > 
    >   >   Cheers,>   > 
    >   >   Phsst>   
    >   --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Al Venosa" 
    <advenosa@xxxx>wrote:>   >   > 
    Hi, all:>   >   > >   
    >   > I've been experimenting with variuos short term 
    trading systems>   >   lately (average trade 
    durations of about 2.5 days), and I waslooking>   
    >   for ideas on how best to rank a watchlist to get the 
    bestcandidates>   >   for portfolio 
    trading a basket of 4 stocks. I was wondering 
    ifanyone>   >   would care to share any 
    ideas on how you use the PositionScore>   >   
    function to rank your candidate list (using regular mode, 
    not>   >   rotational mode). I've tried 
    combinations of turnover andvolatility,>   
    >   but I'd like to try other ideas. I'm not asking anyone to 
    giveaway>   >   any secrets, and, yes, I 
    am aware of TJ's example in the help file>   
    >   (PositionScore = 100 -RSI());), but I was just looking 
    formore ideas.>   >   I'm not even sure if 
    this question is too vague or not. If itis, I'm>   
    >   sure you'll tell me. TIA.>   
    >   > >   >   > Al 
    Venosa>   >   > 
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